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BoatShoes;1812019 wrote:What do you mean "for once"? Conservatively-inclined folks have been bringing up family structure since at least the 1960's. It is brought up in literally every discussion and every talking head back-and-forth when it comes to urban poverty, crime, etc.
So its been a one sided discussions since the 60's. Anytime it is brought it is immediately dismissed because "white people will never understand," or if a black person brings it up he/she for whatever reason is immediately dismissed as no longer being in touch with the black community. It's much easier to play the victim card instead of addressing the inconvenient truth. Democratic politicians know this and that's why they never bring it up, otherwise they would lose a good chunk of votes. Even the moron Trump realizes this and is now pandering to black communities.
So no statistical data or concrete evidence that proves there is this epidemic of cops going out of their ways arrest and/or kill black people? Got it.
Also, this dudes opinion brings up family structure, good for him.
BoatShoes;1812022 wrote:While you'll never hear it really put this way I think the point is more subtle than a claim of a nationwide conspiracy. They see instances wherein young boys of color (just an example) are getting killed in their neighborhoods. Even if we accept that the boys bring this on themselves in a way by pointing the guns at cops, the broader thought is that somebody like me grew up in an all white suburb with real guns, toy guns and big yards to play in and point our toy guns around with no pervasive police presence.
You can say what you will about the parents and what ultimately creates these circumstances but the idea might be that the average 13 year old boy of color with toy guns lives in a much different world than the average white boy with toy guns...and these are circumstances that they themselves did not choose. And for folks who were once young boys of color they feel a sense that there is an injustice that occurs under conditions that we would not all mutually accept if were going to be forming our society from scratch not knowing if we were going to be born a white boy in the suburbs or a black boy in the inner city.
More excuses. If you are brought up correctly by your parents, the less likely something like this happens. If the parents taught that boy how to properly engage with cops (not pointing a fake gun at them is a good start) then this kid would still be alive.
BoatShoes;1812023 wrote:That's not true. You just have to talk about it with a little empathy and understanding and refrain from lecturing black people about voting democrat, black crime rate, black families, etc. and all other generalities lol.
Generalities as in facts?
-Blacks commit most of the crimes in this country.
-The mass majority of black households are fatherless, which leads to a family structure that lacks a focus on education and discipline.
-Blacks consistently vote for democrats and allow them to run their communities.
-In return Democrats haven't done shit for them, because they know they have their votes in the bag.
BoatShoes;1812025 wrote:When you can't see that the little boy pointing the realistic-looking gun (while tragic) was probably justified and that this is very disturbing my guess is that it is because deep down inside you just don't want to give any credibility to the grievances of BLM and Co.
It is ok Non-violently ignoring the police (like Martin Luther King) can get you in trouble with the law but damn...getting shot cus you "might" commit a felony as a misdemeanor offender?? C'mon!
It is possible to think Cops are sometimes justified when the kill the innocent and that other times they are not!
Sure it is, there are bad apples like this one in Tulsa. The fact of the matter is the mass
majority of cops do their jobs. BLM probably doesn't get any credibility because 1. They incite riots where people die or get injured (not to mention looting), 2. They simply avoid all facts, and 3. They can't differentiate case by case. Every cop shooting = racism to them.
BoatShoes;1812026 wrote:I am fine with non-violent resistance to police force under certain circumstances and it has many times been a positive for societal progress.
Although I hardly agree with you, I find your posts intelligent, but this is the dumbest fucking thing you have ever posted.
My friends father is a NYPD cop. He says "I rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6." Most cops have this mentality, so it is beyond me why anyone would want to test a cop and not comply. I don't care what race you are, you are a complete fucking idiot if you think not complying with a cop is going to end in a favorable result for you.
Please go resist a cop and let us know how that works out for you.
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812029 wrote:It's a police issue, not a white guy shooting black guy issue. The race aspect is how black men are targeted with police abuse at a much higher rate than white men. The race aspect is how we've shown to let prejudices affect our judgment in the use of deadly force. It's not about white shooting blacks you fucking simpleton.
Or blacks commit the majority of the crimes in this country and thus police encounter blacks more than any other race. It's really not that hard of a concept to understand.
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812030 wrote:The big issue here is people like Sleeper are too fucking stupid for nuanced thinking. People like Sleeper can't differentiate protesting bad cops from protesting all cops. it's impossible for him. It's black and white. It's bullshit logic that people like him hold onto soooo dearly. The issue isn't all cops are bad and all cops should be fired b/c all cops kill black men.. the problem is some cops are too fucking stupid/scared/prejudiced to be cops. and these stupid people kill other human beings and are given a pass b/c they're in a position of authority. And people like Sleeper blindly accept that b/c they're cops, the big bad black man must be in the wrong.. so we can't protest bad cops and bring about reform of weeding them out and restraining their abuse of power in the meantime.
Sleeper definitely has hot takes, but in this particular case his hyperbole is making a point that you refuse to address. YOU might be protesting bad cops, but the majority (BLM, media, etc) are grouping all cops together. Even our fearless leaders or anyone with some type of a platform does the same thing. If these people came out and said some cops are bad, but it's also time to reflect on the fact that 70% of the households are fatherless then maybe something would get done. Imagine if BLM or the likes of Obama addressed the family structure issue. Unfortunately they don't. I still haven't seen a legitimate argument for the family structure issue. The only argument I have seen so far is that 70% of black fathers are unfairly arrested (even though blacks commit the majority of crimes). Oh and shitty schools with "shitty" teachers even though a school district like DC has the lowest graduation rate in the country despite spending the 2nd most per student. I still would also like to know what the excuse is for the Asians? Why are they successful?
The most ironic part of all this is you will most likely preach the exact opposite of what you are saying here to your children. Pretty much a successful liberal in a nutshell. They don't preach what they practice when it comes to affecting other lives.
