Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Nov 25, 2016 11:31pm
Relative talent AND circumstance. Iowa doesn't have close to the talent of OSU or UM...it means nothing when they get on the field. Leach's teams at Tech never had as much talent as OU or UT, but they competed with them every few years. WSU lost to EWU at the beginning of the year and everyone chuckled, but EWU is probably a middle/bottom tier power 5 school, so it's not that bad of a loss.
It wasn't so much that Wazzou "had a chance", the 6-point spread says they did...but they aren't "horrible." If they are horrible, then probably every team except 15-20 around the country are also horrible.
It wasn't so much that Wazzou "had a chance", the 6-point spread says they did...but they aren't "horrible." If they are horrible, then probably every team except 15-20 around the country are also horrible.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 26, 2016 12:35am
Did you just try to justify losing to a FCS team?Azubuike24;1826172 wrote:Relative talent AND circumstance. Iowa doesn't have close to the talent of OSU or UM...it means nothing when they get on the field. Leach's teams at Tech never had as much talent as OU or UT, but they competed with them every few years. WSU lost to EWU at the beginning of the year and everyone chuckled, but EWU is probably a middle/bottom tier power 5 school, so it's not that bad of a loss.
It wasn't so much that Wazzou "had a chance", the 6-point spread says they did...but they aren't "horrible." If they are horrible, then probably every team except 15-20 around the country are also horrible.
Washington State has 4 losses, one of them coming to a FCS team. I'm sorry buike, but they are not a good team. And beating them is not a good win.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Nov 26, 2016 8:20am
LSU had a new coach. We just have to wait til 1 to find out.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 26, 2016 8:36am
There was a reason Washington St was like 7-1 or 8-1 and only ranked like 22nd
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Nov 26, 2016 8:40am
Western Michigan better be in the top 15 come Tuesday.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Nov 26, 2016 8:49am
Looks to be Coach O.wildcats20;1826182 wrote:LSU had a new coach. We just have to wait til 1 to find out.
Herman to Austin later this afternoon.
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ironman02
Posts: 4,989
Nov 26, 2016 9:01am
I read that Herman told them he was leaning toward Texas, so LSU pulled the trigger and picked Orgeron.wildcats20;1826192 wrote:Looks to be Coach O.
Herman to Austin later this afternoon.
I would have been shocked if Herman would have chosen LSU if given the choice between the two programs.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Nov 26, 2016 9:27am
Herman = John Cooper. I don't think there's a enough talk about the fact he went 5-3 in conference losing to SMU, Memphis and Navy. Just confusing considering they shut down Mayfield and Jackson, but get lit up by those teams I see him losing a lot of bad games that cost him great seasons at Texaswildcats20;1826192 wrote:Looks to be Coach O.
Herman to Austin later this afternoon.
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ironman02
Posts: 4,989
Nov 26, 2016 9:42am
That may be true, but with his ability to recruit, he's gonna start pulling in all the talent that Texas has been losing to Baylor, TCU, A&M, and even Houston in a couple cases. The talent on the Texas roster is gonna go through the roof in the next few seasons, and when he has that kind of talent, he's gonna be really good. You have to remember that he has only been a part of like 2 recruiting cycles at a place like Houston. They're not overflowing with talent right now, and they've dealt with a good bit of injuries this year, so they're still susceptible to some losses like that.Classyposter58;1826197 wrote:Herman = John Cooper. I don't think there's a enough talk about the fact he went 5-3 in conference losing to SMU, Memphis and Navy. Just confusing considering they shut down Mayfield and Jackson, but get lit up by those teams I see him losing a lot of bad games that cost him great seasons at Texas
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Nov 26, 2016 9:50am
LSU was nothing but a bargaining chip to up Texas' offer.ironman02;1826194 wrote:I read that Herman told them he was leaning toward Texas, so LSU pulled the trigger and picked Orgeron.
I would have been shocked if Herman would have chosen LSU if given the choice between the two programs.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 26, 2016 10:09am
I will say ...good for Orgeron. Filled in at USC and went 6-2 and now 5-2 for LSU. He's probably an elite rah rah coach that has a couple 9-3 years and then a 6-6 and get ran out of town
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Nov 26, 2016 11:10am
Washington State had 2 losses, one to an FCS team. Then they lost to Colorado. They were ranked where they should have been. An indictment on them being bad is an indictment on the entire Pac 12, because they have steamrolled through that league except for Washington and Colorado.
Eastern Washington is a good FCS team. I compared Washington State to Iowa, if that's what you want to call a "good team." Do you disagree? Iowa lost to North Dakota State, who is about even with EWU.
Eastern Washington is a good FCS team. I compared Washington State to Iowa, if that's what you want to call a "good team." Do you disagree? Iowa lost to North Dakota State, who is about even with EWU.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Nov 26, 2016 11:36am
Seeing that PJ Fleck is headed to Purdue.
Herman is a done deal to Texas.
Herman is a done deal to Texas.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Nov 26, 2016 12:05pm
Seems like a bad move for Fleck.wildcats20;1826210 wrote:Seeing that PJ Fleck is headed to Purdue.
Herman is a done deal to Texas.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Nov 26, 2016 12:09pm
Stepping stone.superman;1826212 wrote:Seems like a bad move for Fleck.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 26, 2016 12:19pm
Could honestly be a stepping stone to ND in a year or 2wildcats20;1826213 wrote:Stepping stone.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Nov 26, 2016 12:23pm
Could be a millstone that sinks his career.wildcats20;1826213 wrote:Stepping stone.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Nov 26, 2016 12:29pm
Pat Forde is saying Fleck to Purdue is "untrue".
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 26, 2016 12:30pm
I agree with that. He should have stayed another year at western and waited for either the ND job or Oregon to open up. Or any other big time program.superman;1826218 wrote:Could be a millstone that sinks his career.
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SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 26, 2016 12:47pm
Why would ND or Oregon, who have both recently played for a national championship in the last 5 years, hire a young coach from Western Michigan?Crimson streak;1826222 wrote:I agree with that. He should have stayed another year at western and waited for either the ND job or Oregon to open up. Or any other big time program.
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Fleck had to go to a Purdue to get a bigger offer. That's how it works.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Nov 26, 2016 12:51pm
Sometimes in coaching you have to strike when the iron is hot. Purdue isnt that great of a job, but maybe he feels that this is as good of an offer as he is going to get at this point.Crimson streak;1826215 wrote:Could honestly be a stepping stone to ND in a year or 2
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Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 26, 2016 12:59pm
Who is this directed to?Azubuike24;1826209 wrote:Washington State had 2 losses, one to an FCS team. Then they lost to Colorado. They were ranked where they should have been. An indictment on them being bad is an indictment on the entire Pac 12, because they have steamrolled through that league except for Washington and Colorado.
Eastern Washington is a good FCS team. I compared Washington State to Iowa, if that's what you want to call a "good team." Do you disagree? Iowa lost to North Dakota State, who is about even with EWU.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Nov 26, 2016 12:59pm
Going to Purdue is baffling. Just setting yourself to lose all stock. Then again, maybe the money and big gig is all he wants, and he certainly will get big cash at Purdue. Lots of power 5 jobs open or will be coming open, and I'd think a 13-0 season could get you attention from any of those openings almost.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Nov 26, 2016 1:01pm
It was S&L. I compared WSU to Iowa. He just responded by saying WSU sucks. I never said it was untrue, but then so does Iowa and Nebraska. That's all.Ironman92;1826232 wrote:Who is this directed to?
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Nov 26, 2016 1:02pm
Likely wanted to stay in the midwest where he has been recruiting already. I dont think it is a dead end place, but maybe even right now he wasnt getting much interest from other power 5 conference schools? Only he and his agent know for sure what calls he has been fielding and maybe Purdue is the best and he wanted to take a job while his team and his prospects are hot? If he waited and stayed and goes to 7-8 wins next year he isnt getting a power 5 job.Azubuike24;1826233 wrote:Going to Purdue is baffling. Just setting yourself to lose all stock. Then again, maybe the money and big gig is all he wants, and he certainly will get big cash at Purdue. Lots of power 5 jobs open or will be coming open, and I'd think a 13-0 season could get you attention from any of those openings almost.