Ironman92
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Jul 19, 2016 1:40pm
Being one of the major contenders I'd strike first. Lucroy and Chapman and make the mark. Then other contenders get nervous and overpay for others.
You guys have the pieces to get both players?
You guys have the pieces to get both players?
HitsRus
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Jul 19, 2016 1:49pm
That would be the way to do it, but that is soooooo not like the Indians. Dolan's M.O. is more like wait to everybody spends furiously to get the best, and then swoop in to get the leftovers for cheap.
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vball10set
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Jul 19, 2016 1:53pm
This is why I'm not optimistic we will pick up anyone significantHitsRus;1803603 wrote:That would be the way to do it, but that is soooooo not like the Indians. Dolan's M.O. is more like wait to everybody spends furiously to get the best, and then swoop in to get the leftovers for cheap.
Ironman92
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Jul 19, 2016 1:55pm
Seems like the vast majority do that...surprised no one has done anything of note yet.HitsRus;1803603 wrote:That would be the way to do it, but that is soooooo not like the Indians. Dolan's M.O. is more like wait to everybody spends furiously to get the best, and then swoop in to get the leftovers for cheap.
Is your starting pitching good enough after Salazar/Kluber? Who is your 3rd guy that is going to be heavily called upon if they make the postseason?
Ironman92
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Jul 19, 2016 2:07pm
Looks like Bauer or Tomlin. Bauer looks to have the better metrics while Tomlin seems to have the better fortunes. Bauer walks too many but also strikes out more. Tomlin's HR allowed is a red flag to me and very few walks but also very few strike outs.
If I had to guess I'd guess Bauer better in the postseason but I haven't seen either of them enough to act like that guy who looks at some metrics and boldly acts like he knows everything...I hate that guy.
With what you have I'd focus on Chapman/Lucroy over a 3rd starter. We all know what Chapman does but I have watched Lucroy a litany he is a hell of a player. Can bat middle of the order and is a good catcher at throwing out runners. I think he would be your biggest addition.
If I had to guess I'd guess Bauer better in the postseason but I haven't seen either of them enough to act like that guy who looks at some metrics and boldly acts like he knows everything...I hate that guy.
With what you have I'd focus on Chapman/Lucroy over a 3rd starter. We all know what Chapman does but I have watched Lucroy a litany he is a hell of a player. Can bat middle of the order and is a good catcher at throwing out runners. I think he would be your biggest addition.
Ironman92
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Jul 19, 2016 2:19pm
Dan O'Dowd thinks the Giants are best bet for Chapman and Cubs are best to get Miller.
iclfan2
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Jul 19, 2016 2:31pm
We aren't trying to get a starter. Carrasco would be the 3rd starter in the playoffs (probably). The only options are the pen and/ or a bat, but biggest need to me is a reliever. If they weren't trading for a catcher prior to Gomes going down, I don't see how him going down would change anything. If I were the Tribe, a pen guy is all I am focusing on right now.
Laley23
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Jul 19, 2016 3:33pm
A starter is the last of the worries. Carrasco coming into the year was the Indians CYA favorite. He has been more than ok, the injury set him back for a few starts. Tomlin would be the 4th starter, and Bauer would be into the Pen. That would be my guess.
Lucroys name popped up a few times before Gomes injury, so I think they were poking around. Probably even moreso now, as Im not sure you want either Perez or CG catching everyday. Perez is more suited for that, but hasnt done so in forever. Giminez is strictly a day off guy.
Give me a LH Reliever, then go after Lucroy.
They have the pieces to get both, but I doubt they spend for both. Could try and get a double barrel package from Milwaukee...Will Smith and Lucroy. Id still want another pen arm though, Chapman or Miller, despite Smith being a LHP...
Lucroys name popped up a few times before Gomes injury, so I think they were poking around. Probably even moreso now, as Im not sure you want either Perez or CG catching everyday. Perez is more suited for that, but hasnt done so in forever. Giminez is strictly a day off guy.
Give me a LH Reliever, then go after Lucroy.
They have the pieces to get both, but I doubt they spend for both. Could try and get a double barrel package from Milwaukee...Will Smith and Lucroy. Id still want another pen arm though, Chapman or Miller, despite Smith being a LHP...
Ironman92
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Jul 19, 2016 3:39pm
No, plenty plenty of starting pitching and 5 solid guys. Bauer did look great out of the pen in that ridiculous extra inning game. In the playoffs pitchers that give up too many HR scare me. Tomlin gives up way too many but Carraso also has given up HR at a decently greater rate than Bauer. The Indians may have the best group of starters to get to the postseason compared to any other team...I was just looking how good your #3 would be.
If Lucroy isn't acquired I wouldn't bite on any other catcher and Chapman would be the #1...but I still believe Lucroy would be even bigger piece than Chapman for the Indians.
If Lucroy isn't acquired I wouldn't bite on any other catcher and Chapman would be the #1...but I still believe Lucroy would be even bigger piece than Chapman for the Indians.
Heretic
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Jul 19, 2016 4:45pm
Essentially, yes. I saw you talking yesterday about how the Cubs wanted both Chapman and Miller for Schwarber and the "every day player" thing has a huge effect on WAR. I think I read, for example, that Schwarber has a projection of +4 WAR, while Miller was more like +1.Ironman92;1803613 wrote:No, plenty plenty of starting pitching and 5 solid guys. Bauer did look great out of the pen in that ridiculous extra inning game. In the playoffs pitchers that give up too many HR scare me. Tomlin gives up way too many but Carraso also has given up HR at a decently greater rate than Bauer. The Indians may have the best group of starters to get to the postseason compared to any other team...I was just looking how good your #3 would be.
If Lucroy isn't acquired I wouldn't bite on any other catcher and Chapman would be the #1...but I still believe Lucroy would be even bigger piece than Chapman for the Indians.
Ironman92
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Jul 19, 2016 4:58pm
You didn't see me talking about WAR. WAR aside...I think Lucroy would be an excellent bat that can hit in the middle of the lineup and a good and experienced defensive catcher.Heretic;1803620 wrote:Essentially, yes. I saw you talking yesterday about how the Cubs wanted both Chapman and Miller for Schwarber and the "every day player" thing has a huge effect on WAR. I think I read, for example, that Schwarber has a projection of +4 WAR, while Miller was more like +1.
Reading that Indians prefer Miller over Chapman.
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vball10set
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Jul 19, 2016 7:32pm
interesting, because I'm hearing the oppositeIronman92;1803621 wrote:Reading that Indians prefer Miller over Chapman.
Laley23
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Jul 19, 2016 8:14pm
Hate to say I told you so...but...
From Braves thread...
From Braves thread...
From Paul Hoynes:Laley23;1801630 wrote:Guys, Brantley ain't helping this team this year, imho.
Brantley's shoulder barking again. Will get MRI on Wednesday.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jul 19, 2016 9:30pm
Napoli was such a good signing.
HitsRus
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Jul 19, 2016 9:55pm
Tribe pounding the Royals in the sixth....6-0.
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vball10set
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Jul 19, 2016 10:13pm
Salazar showing fatigue in 6th--not confident in our bullpen of late
TBone14
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Jul 19, 2016 10:13pm
Now 6-2 heading to the 7th...Royals scored on an RBI knock and and a wild pitch.
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vball10set
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Jul 19, 2016 10:14pm
hate it when people go way back to an old thread just to say 'I told you so'Laley23;1803634 wrote:Hate to say I told you so...but...
From Braves thread...
From Paul Hoynes:
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Jul 19, 2016 10:25pm
Gomes may not be able to hit but there you see why he still has value. Salazar and Gimenez not on the same page and a pitch that is almost a strike turns into a passed ball on a mix up.
Salazar in a jam here in the 7th.
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Salazar in a jam here in the 7th.
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BRF
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Jul 19, 2016 10:48pm
Shaw throws 8 pitches striking out the first two batters and getting a grounder back to him in the B8.
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Gardens35
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Jul 19, 2016 10:52pm
Matthew McConaughey just tweeted......."It's not about hugging trees, it's about Shaw setting them down 1-2-3."
BRF
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Jul 19, 2016 11:02pm
And Lindor with a great play to get out number one in the B9.
Allen goes 1-2-3 for the win.
Allen goes 1-2-3 for the win.
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cat_lover
Posts: 2,388
Jul 19, 2016 11:17pm
Nice rebound win.
Go Tribe.
Go Tribe.
iclfan2
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Jul 20, 2016 6:36am
I'll admit, nice rebound by Shaw there. Let's get this day game today and take the series. Go Tribe!
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like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jul 20, 2016 6:49am
I'll be the one who says I am not a fan of giving up nice assets for fucking relief pitching, especially with how baseball works for small market teams. Starter or a legitimate bat? Sure.