The way I loo at it is if LeBron is still an elite defender (I would say yes), all this means is he has to guard Durant and not whoever GSW threw out last year. Curry is still going to be guarded by Irving and Klay by JR. GSW will be a very good team, but at the end of the day, are they going to be any better offensively than this years team? At some point water finds its level, Durant getting 25 a game means the bench gets a lot less, klay and curry lose 4ppg, etc. Cavs execute on offense, you could see the same type of thing play out...where GSW try rimshot their way to a title instead of take the easy layups etc.

Sonofanump;1802309 wrote:So he was going to quit after that third year of the 3 year contract?

He could have snapped his neck in his last game of his third year.

I'd rather have 4 years $94M than 3 years $64M.

SportsAndLady;1802313 wrote:He could have snapped his neck in his last game of his third year.

I'd rather have 4 years $94M than 3 years $64M.

And more likely since he's not playing with Draymond

Lebrons move was a complete douche move, but if you set the theatrics aside, I think KD takes the cake (it's close though). When Lebron colluded with his best buddy at least the heat sucked ass and Lebron went to Miami as the Alpha male. As soon as he left them, they went back to being the same middle tier team in the east that they were before Lebron got there.

KD in comparison is going to a team where he choked away a 3-1 series. A team that won 73 games and was 4 points away from back to back titles. If KD didn't go or he left after a year then GSW still would be fine. Not to mention he is going to a team with the media darling unanimous back to back MVP. It's ESPN, so I don't expect them to be as dramatic as they were with Cleveland (thunder fans already burning jerseys, let's see if ESPN continues to talk about this for 5+ years), but this has to go down as the biggest bitch beta move in NBA and maybe sports history.

I'm not surprised our two resident dumb fucks have reappeared from the dead in the NBA after this move. Ccrunner (Spock) disappeared after he was exposed once again for being clueless and proving he hasn't watched the NBA since 1987, and of course classy reappears after talking all that shit (even though the Pistons were swept by them) during the finals only to see the cavs win the title and then the Tigers fall to 0-9 in the season vs Cleveland. They both have the "beta bitch" title in common with KD. Congrats.

Edit: Also, does anybody find it hilarious that ccrunner faps to MJ, yet he thinks KD's move isn't as bad as lebrons? Tell us about that time MJ signed with the Pistons, because he couldn't beat them. Lolfail

SportsAndLady;1802313 wrote:He could have snapped his neck in his last game of his third year.

I'd rather have 4 years $94M than 3 years $64M.

LeBron and Kevin (among many others) disagree with you. They also could snap their necks...

Zaza has signed with GS.

SportsAndLady;1802313 wrote:He could have snapped his neck in his last game of his third year.

I'd rather have 4 years $94M than 3 years $64M.

could have...?

Yes, but the difference is not as much as it looks since the fourth year of playing contract is unknown.

wildcats20;1802320 wrote:Zaza has signed with GS.

Was really hoping the Cavs took a look at him for one of the exceptions.

Zaza - 8.6 and 9.4 in 26.4 mins
Tristan - 7.8 and 9.0 in 27.7

Would have been a nice back-up 5.

I'm reading an ESPN article on Durant comparing his decision to leave with Lebron and Karl Malone. Lebron left in 2010 and it was for the better because of the titles and MVPs, etc. Malone spent 18 seasons in Utah and didn't leave until it was too late. He'll go down as one of the greats, but never enter the discussion of the greatest because he didn't win a title.

Here's what author Tom Haberstroh mentions re: Malone, not winning a title, and how it's affecting him amongst the greats:

How much did not winning a championship cost Malone in the public domain? Consider that in ESPN's all-time rankings from earlier this year, Malone ranked 16th -- 13 spots lower than his win-shares rank of third. In fact, the 13-spot decline is the largest in ESPN.com's top 20 outside of, you guessed it, Stockton, who dropped 14 spots from fifth in win shares to 19th in #NBARank. I don't think it's any coincidence why those two names lag the most: They didn't win a title.

Holy fuck! Not ESPN's top 20 rankings! I can't imagine that Malone or anyone else gives a shit.

friendfromlowry;1802323 wrote:I'm reading an ESPN article on Durant comparing his decision to leave with Lebron and Karl Malone. Lebron left in 2010 and it was for the better because of the titles and MVPs, etc. Malone spent 18 seasons in Utah and didn't leave until it was too late. He'll go down as one of the greats, but never enter the discussion of the greatest because he didn't win a title.

Here's what author Tom Haberstroh mentions re: Malone, not winning a title, and how it's affecting him amongst the greats:


Holy fuck! Not ESPN's top 20 rankings! I can't imagine that Malone or anyone else gives a shit.

Is the win/share stat a longevity type stat in any way?

Ironman92;1802324 wrote:Is the win/share stat a longevity type stat in any way?

If you like advanced measures, he ranks third all time in career win shares (WS) behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Wilt Chamberlain, according to Basketball-Reference.com.

That's all that is said about it. The "he" is Malone, btw.

1986-87 Boston Celtics

Season Averages

Larry Bird 28-9-8 excellent defensive ...all-time elite player

Kevin McHale 26-10 3x 1st team all defense and 7x all-star

Robert Parish 17-10 excellent rim protector and 9x all-star

Dennis Johnson 14-8-5 6x first team all defensive team and 5x all-star

Danny Ainge 14-5....sharpshooter and an all-star

Lost to Lakers in 6

Ironman92;1802324 wrote:Is the win/share stat a longevity type stat in any way?

Yes. The more minutes/years you play the higher your totals will be. There's a win shares/48 minutes stat that normalizes it.

Mulva;1802327 wrote:Yes. The more minutes/years you play the higher your totals will be. There's a win shares/48 minutes stat that normalizes it.

Thanks...assumed it was with Malone and Stockton's insane longevity

Pretty sure Barnes' extension with Golden State was for 4 years and $64M. He's now getting 4 years and $94M from Dallas.

The difference is $30M.

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2016/7/4/12092202/nba-free-agency-2016-harrison-barnes-max-contract-dallas-mavericks-golden-state-warriors

Ironman92;1802328 wrote:Thanks...assumed it was with Malone and Stockton's insane longevity

More with Stockton. Malone numbers would suggest top PF ever, at very least in discussion.

Laley23;1802334 wrote:More with Stockton. Malone numbers would suggest top PF ever, at very least in discussion.

Well Stockton is 3rd and Malone 4th in career games played. Stockton is 14th all-time in WS48 and Malone 18th

Ironman92;1802336 wrote:Well Stockton is 3rd and Malone 4th in career games played. Stockton is 14th all-time in WS48 and Malone 18th

Right, but I would have no problem with someone saying Malone is the best PF ever to play. I'd laugh at them for saying that about Stockton at PG.

Career VORP? How is Brand above virtually everyone listed below him on this list?

ironman02;1802329 wrote:Pretty sure Barnes' extension with Golden State was for 4 years and $64M. He's now getting 4 years and $94M from Dallas.

The difference is $30M.

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2016/7/4/12092202/nba-free-agency-2016-harrison-barnes-max-contract-dallas-mavericks-golden-state-warriors

Hey sling..

Ironman92;1802326 wrote:1986-87 Boston Celtics

Season Averages

Larry Bird 28-9-8 excellent defensive ...all-time elite player

Kevin McHale 26-10 3x 1st team all defense and 7x all-star

Robert Parish 17-10 excellent rim protector and 9x all-star

Dennis Johnson 14-8-5 6x first team all defensive team and 5x all-star

Danny Ainge 14-5....sharpshooter and an all-star

Lost to Lakers in 6

??? Lakers were better. Magic better than Bird, Worthy better than McHale, Parrish even with Jabbar, Scott better than Johnson, Cooper and Ainge is a wash, Rambis, Thompson & Green were better than anything of the Celtics bench.

ironman02;1802329 wrote:Pretty sure Barnes' extension with Golden State was for 4 years and $64M. He's now getting 4 years and $94M from Dallas.

The difference is $30M.

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2016/7/4/12092202/nba-free-agency-2016-harrison-barnes-max-contract-dallas-mavericks-golden-state-warriors

Well those facts makes a difference.

SportsAndLady;1802339 wrote:Hey sling..

if both deals were 4 years that is accurate...even you thought the gsw deal was only 3 years...

Sonofanump;1802340 wrote:??? Lakers were better. Magic better than Bird, Worthy better than McHale, Parrish even with Jabbar, Scott better than Johnson, Cooper and Ainge is a wash, Rambis, Thompson & Green were better than anything of the Celtics bench.

Bench was the difference. Magic outplayed Bird that series 28-19-8, but not the season. I loved James Worthy but he wasn't as productive as McHale that year. It is awesome that Kareem was 39 years old and went 17 and 7 playing 79 games.

I would be good if Cavs/Warriors turned into Celtics/Lakers....off to a damn good start. Unfortunately the Celtics just picked up Dominique.

Sonofanump;1802340 wrote:??? Lakers were better. Magic better than Bird, Worthy better than McHale, Parrish even with Jabbar, Scott better than Johnson, Cooper and Ainge is a wash, Rambis, Thompson & Green were better than anything of the Celtics bench.

Parish even with Jabbar?

You dont know your bball do you?