Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 8, 2016 4:12pm
I'm going to also concede these WR's from the same era are HOF worthy.
Reggie Wayne, Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Steve Smith, Hines Ward, Brandon Marshall. All are pretty much locks and some still playing.
If you consider Calvin, then consider these names...Anquan Boldin, Torry Holt, Wes Welker, Roddy White, Keyshawn Johnson, Jimmy Smith, Keenan McCardell.
At some point, way too many WR's are getting in...
Reggie Wayne, Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Steve Smith, Hines Ward, Brandon Marshall. All are pretty much locks and some still playing.
If you consider Calvin, then consider these names...Anquan Boldin, Torry Holt, Wes Welker, Roddy White, Keyshawn Johnson, Jimmy Smith, Keenan McCardell.
At some point, way too many WR's are getting in...
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 8, 2016 4:15pm
Lol you would bring up the comparison to a Bengals player.Azubuike24;1780515 wrote:Unless you dominate for every season you play, you shouldn't get in the HOF after only 9 seasons. Compare him to Chad Johnson, who has little to no chance at the HOF. Really similar numbers...of course Calvin had the outrageous 2012 season...but pretty much they are the exact same player except for that.
Calvin - 135 games, 731 catches, 11619 yards, 83 TD, high of 122 catches, 1964 yards and 16 TD (yards and catches came in the same year), 6 Pro Bowls, 3-time consensus NFL All-Pro
Chad - 166 games, 766 catches, 11059 yards, 67 TD, high of 97 catches, 1432 yards and 10 TD (all came in different seasons), 6 Pro Bowls, 2-time consensus NFL All-Pro
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 8, 2016 4:19pm
I can be a homer, but I thought it was a decent comparison. The numbers are similar. And Ochocinco is NOT a HOF'er...
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 8, 2016 4:49pm
That's a good comparison. I think Calvin is a much better player and if he continued to play he'd be a shoe-in for the HOF. But as of now, I don't think he sniffs it because the numbers aren't that impressive for a career.Azubuike24;1780515 wrote:Unless you dominate for every season you play, you shouldn't get in the HOF after only 9 seasons. Compare him to Chad Johnson, who has little to no chance at the HOF. Really similar numbers...of course Calvin had the outrageous 2012 season...but pretty much they are the exact same player except for that.
Calvin - 135 games, 731 catches, 11619 yards, 83 TD, high of 122 catches, 1964 yards and 16 TD (yards and catches came in the same year), 6 Pro Bowls, 3-time consensus NFL All-Pro
Chad - 166 games, 766 catches, 11059 yards, 67 TD, high of 97 catches, 1432 yards and 10 TD (all came in different seasons), 6 Pro Bowls, 2-time consensus NFL All-Pro
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 8, 2016 4:54pm
Calvin could get a bit of the Barry Sanders/Sandy Koufax treatment where they take his dominance in a limited era of time and put him in because of that. He was clearly a top 3 WR almost his whole career.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Feb 8, 2016 6:10pm
Sanders was top 2 or 3 in rushing when retired....he was a no doubter. Same with Koufax. Their types are rare. Johnson falls a little short of them.Azubuike24;1780526 wrote:Calvin could get a bit of the Barry Sanders/Sandy Koufax treatment where they take his dominance in a limited era of time and put him in because of that. He was clearly a top 3 WR almost his whole career.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 8, 2016 6:16pm
It was a good comparison just giving you shit because Chad happens to be a Bengal.Azubuike24;1780519 wrote:I can be a homer, but I thought it was a decent comparison. The numbers are similar. And Ochocinco is NOT a HOF'er...
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 8, 2016 7:15pm
Who else but Azu? You could be talking about hockey and he would somehow relate it to Andy Dalton's shitty contract or bring up some NBA player who played for UK.SportsAndLady;1780518 wrote:Lol you would bring up the comparison to a Bengals player.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 8, 2016 7:20pm
Not as bad as classy and detroit though.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 8, 2016 7:36pm
Wouldnt Lions still own his rights? You can't retire and then come back with a new team. I can't imagine they don't own his rights for the remainder of contract/franchising him if he ever did come back.TBone14;1780496 wrote:I can see the Patriots trying to lure Megatron out of retirement for one last run at a title with Brady. Wouldn't shock me if he gets signed about week 10 next season or the year after.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Feb 8, 2016 7:42pm
I believe Johnson has somewhere around a $24M cap hit next year. He could basically force the Lions to cut him because of the bad contract on their end.Laley23;1780542 wrote:Wouldnt Lions still own his rights? You can't retire and then come back with a new team. I can't imagine they don't own his rights for the remainder of contract/franchising him if he ever did come back.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Feb 8, 2016 9:40pm
Yea, I think for 4 years. I don't think it's about getting away from the Lions for him anyway.Laley23;1780542 wrote:Wouldnt Lions still own his rights? You can't retire and then come back with a new team. I can't imagine they don't own his rights for the remainder of contract/franchising him if he ever did come back.
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Sonofanump
Feb 8, 2016 9:51pm
I'd take Calvin Johnson over everyone except Randy Moss.Azubuike24;1780516 wrote:I'm going to also concede these WR's from the same era are HOF worthy.
Reggie Wayne, Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Steve Smith, Hines Ward, Brandon Marshall. All are pretty much locks and some still playing.
If you consider Calvin, then consider these names...Anquan Boldin, Torry Holt, Wes Welker, Roddy White, Keyshawn Johnson, Jimmy Smith, Keenan McCardell.
At some point, way too many WR's are getting in...
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Feb 8, 2016 10:14pm
Without looking at career numbers I'd guess he and Marshall are tight on career numbers and years played and stuff won.Sonofanump;1780554 wrote:I'd take Calvin Johnson over everyone except Randy Moss.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 9, 2016 7:37am
Brandon Marshall has more catches and yards by a wide margin. He has been an elite WR every year except his first. Surely a HOF'er.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 9, 2016 7:39am
In a one play or need a TD scenario, sure. The HOF doesn't rank you on talent or skill. Stats matter. He doesn't really have them. It's definitely a debate.Sonofanump;1780554 wrote:I'd take Calvin Johnson over everyone except Randy Moss.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 9, 2016 1:41pm
Just read a crazy trivia question, Name the only player in NFL history to score a TD against all 32 NFL teams.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Feb 9, 2016 2:03pm
Moss, Rice...Marshall? LolCommander of Awesome;1780643 wrote:Just read a crazy trivia question, Name the only player in NFL history to score a TD against all 32 NFL teams.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Feb 9, 2016 2:04pm
LT?
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Feb 9, 2016 2:07pm
I know the answer only because I'm a huge fan of his... But I want Ironman to keep guessing lol.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 9, 2016 2:32pm
You're on the right path.Ironman92;1780649 wrote:Moss, Rice...Marshall? Lol
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Feb 9, 2016 3:10pm
I know it.
Having a a deja vu moment....pretty sure someone brought this up a few years ago.
Having a a deja vu moment....pretty sure someone brought this up a few years ago.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Feb 9, 2016 3:32pm
Looked it up...I'm not surprised by the answer.Commander of Awesome;1780643 wrote:Just read a crazy trivia question, Name the only player in NFL history to score a TD against all 32 NFL teams.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Feb 9, 2016 3:37pm
T.O. Would be my obvious choice guess.
Tony Gonzalez and Steve Smith would be answers to my type of trivia
Tony Gonzalez and Steve Smith would be answers to my type of trivia
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Feb 9, 2016 3:39pm
Ironman92;1780670 wrote:T.O. Would be my obvious choice guess.
Tony Gonzalez and Steve Smith would be answers to my type of trivia
