ZWICK 4 PREZ
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Jan 27, 2016 7:39am
http://datatitian.com/bernie-tax/
so... contrary to popular belief on this site (and the right..which is pretty much one in the same), the middle class isn't getting hammered by Bernie. 70% of Americans save money under his plan.
so... contrary to popular belief on this site (and the right..which is pretty much one in the same), the middle class isn't getting hammered by Bernie. 70% of Americans save money under his plan.
Spock
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Jan 27, 2016 7:57am
His plan does long term damageZWICK 4 PREZ;1778398 wrote:http://datatitian.com/bernie-tax/
so... contrary to popular belief on this site (and the right..which is pretty much one in the same), the middle class isn't getting hammered by Bernie. 70% of Americans save money under his plan.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
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Jan 27, 2016 8:00am
Very insightful. Thanks.Spock;1778401 wrote:His plan does long term damage
Spock
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Jan 27, 2016 8:07am
US corprations are not going to pay for Bernies programs. Rich people are not going to pay tax rates on income at the rate it will have to be to support a nanny state for 250 million people.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778402 wrote:Very insightful. Thanks.
Corporations will leave the country faster than ever, rich people and banks will lock down money offshore. THe $ will not "trickle down", it will "trickle away".
Rich will stay rich and the poor will be alot poorer.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
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Jan 27, 2016 8:13am
The "scared of big business" mantra doesn't work anymore. We saw the false threats last election from Koch brother et al saying how everyone was getting laid off if Obama was re-elected. Businesses are going to do what they're going to do regardless of politics.Spock;1778404 wrote:US corprations are not going to pay for Bernies programs. Rich people are not going to pay tax rates on income at the rate it will have to be to support a nanny state for 250 million people.
Corporations will leave the country faster than ever, rich people and banks will lock down money offshore. THe $ will not "trickle down", it will "trickle away".
Rich will stay rich and the poor will be alot poorer.
Spock
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Jan 27, 2016 8:15am
Are you kidding me? Do you have a short memory? THe last 8 years in the employment world has been a nightmare. Less full time jobs, stagnant pay, part time hours etc....... Bernis plan will double down on the unemployment rateZWICK 4 PREZ;1778407 wrote:The "scared of big business" mantra doesn't work anymore. We saw the false threats last election from Koch brother et al saying how everyone was getting laid off if Obama was re-elected. Businesses are going to do what they're going to do regardless of politics.
Free healthcare will kill the initiative to work. There will be 120 million people not even looking for a job.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
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Jan 27, 2016 8:25am
Do you not realize there's been a global recession since 2008 which has nothing to do with politics?Spock;1778408 wrote:Are you kidding me? Do you have a short memory? THe last 8 years in the employment world has been a nightmare. Less full time jobs, stagnant pay, part time hours etc....... Bernis plan will double down on the unemployment rate
Free healthcare will kill the initiative to work. There will be 120 million people not even looking for a job.
Spock
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Jan 27, 2016 8:37am
wow, just wowZWICK 4 PREZ;1778411 wrote:Do you not realize there's been a global recession since 2008 which has nothing to do with politics?
rrfan
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Jan 27, 2016 8:45am
I think there is more to this than what is typed in the article. I also think many would pay way more than the fair share.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
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Jan 27, 2016 8:55am
Spock;1778413 wrote:wow, just wow
lol please tell us more about the global economy that you learned by playing kickball today.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
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Jan 27, 2016 9:06am
such as....rrfan;1778415 wrote:I think there is more to this than what is typed in the article. I also think many would pay way more than the fair share.
rrfan
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Jan 27, 2016 9:27am
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778422 wrote:such as....
Not including payroll taxes is criminally deceptive as their burden nearly entirely falls on workers. Payroll tax of 6.2 percent is not exactly trivial
ZWICK 4 PREZ
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Jan 27, 2016 9:38am
... if you make more than $250,000 a year. Which in most areas you're no longer in the middle class.rrfan;1778429 wrote:Not including payroll taxes is criminally deceptive as their burden nearly entirely falls on workers. Payroll tax of 6.2 percent is not exactly trivial
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QuakerOats
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Jan 27, 2016 9:50am
Spock;1778413 wrote:wow, just wow
WOW is right. This is how people like obama and Sanders get elected ---- complete fools have a vote that count as much as the more learned.
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QuakerOats
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Jan 27, 2016 9:52am
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778418 wrote:lol please tell us more about the global economy that you learned by playing kickball today.
You cannot build up the poor by tearing down the rich. If you don't know that, then please stop right now; the nonsense is wasting a lot of cyberspace.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
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Jan 27, 2016 9:56am
You're not tearing down the rich, drama queen. You're having them pay an effective rate the same as everyone else. Quit with your bullshit.QuakerOats;1778437 wrote:You cannot build up the poor by tearing down the rich. If you don't know that, then please stop right now; the nonsense is wasting a lot of cyberspace.
rrfan
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Jan 27, 2016 10:28am
So punish someone who is successful to take more than they should pay so others don't pay the fair share that they should? That is the theory and you need to look as someone that makes 200K plus and see how much they are taxed now. It is sick!ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778434 wrote:... if you make more than $250,000 a year. Which in most areas you're no longer in the middle class.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
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Jan 27, 2016 10:35am
I'm reiterating the point I made in the original post.rrfan;1778448 wrote:So punish someone who is successful to take more than they should pay so others don't pay the fair share that they should? That is the theory and you need to look as someone that makes 200K plus and see how much they are taxed now. It is sick!
sleeper
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Jan 27, 2016 10:43am
lol Zwick.
SportsAndLady
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Jan 27, 2016 10:52am
This thread has gone exactly how I thought.
1) zwick being a complete dick to anyone who disagrees with him.
2) zwick spins this aggressive tax plan to be good for all but the rich, because, you know, they're rich! Why should we not tax them more?
3) zwick making personal attacks because they don't agree with him.
Carry on!
1) zwick being a complete dick to anyone who disagrees with him.
2) zwick spins this aggressive tax plan to be good for all but the rich, because, you know, they're rich! Why should we not tax them more?
3) zwick making personal attacks because they don't agree with him.
Carry on!
rrfan
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Jan 27, 2016 11:17am
You probably also love government assistance/entitlements because why the hell should someone have to work for what they get...Right?ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778450 wrote:I'm reiterating the point I made in the original post.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
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Jan 27, 2016 11:26am
absolutelyrrfan;1778459 wrote:You probably also love government assistance/entitlements because why the hell should someone have to work for what they get...Right?
ZWICK 4 PREZ
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Jan 27, 2016 11:28am
fifySportsAndLady;1778455 wrote:This thread has gone exactly how I thought.
1) zwick being a complete dick to anyone who disagrees with him.
2) zwick spins this aggressive tax plan to be good for all but the rich, because, you know, they're rich! Why should we not tax them more?
3) zwick making personal attacks because they don't agree with him.
4) S&L chimes in with something useless and unrelated to the thread
Carry on!
sleeper
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Jan 27, 2016 11:33am
Here's the actual reality of Bernie's plan. The tax increases won't come anywhere near the revenue needed to cover all these entitlement programs so they US will continue to rapidly produce unsustainable deficits that we will ultimately pass down to the next generation.
Now cue BS to tell us that US debt doesn't matter because its in our own currency and there are no downsides to having trillions of dollars of debt as long as its in USD.
Now cue BS to tell us that US debt doesn't matter because its in our own currency and there are no downsides to having trillions of dollars of debt as long as its in USD.
sleeper
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Jan 27, 2016 11:34am
I also wanted to add that when the deficits ultimately get much bigger, Bernie and the trash will blame the rich again for "not paying their fair share" and the beat will go on.