2016 Ohio State Discussion

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Oct 20, 2016 5:45pm
SportsAndLady;1817496 wrote:No he's not. He wants urban to completely change how he recruits WR's. Lol
Do you think everything is running great with the WR/passing game? See no flaws?
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Oct 20, 2016 5:49pm
wildcats20;1817498 wrote:Oh and if Urban isn't getting the "polished" high school receivers, who is?

Alabama, A&M, Oklahoma, Clemson.
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Oct 20, 2016 6:40pm
Benny The Jet;1817501 wrote:Do you think everything is running great with the WR/passing game? See no flaws?
There are flaws but nothing that makes me want to change WR recruiting.

I think the team is extremely young and talented; and with route running being the 'NFL' skill, it takes time to develop. I'm confident that Urban Meyer will get it figured out.
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Oct 20, 2016 6:40pm
Benny The Jet;1817502 wrote:Alabama, A&M, Oklahoma, Clemson.
I'll take any of OSU's WR over these teams.
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Oct 20, 2016 7:40pm
sleeper;1817509 wrote:There are flaws but nothing that makes me want to change WR recruiting.

I think the team is extremely young and talented; and with route running being the 'NFL' skill, it takes time to develop. I'm confident that Urban Meyer will get it figured out.
Thanks for the solid input, appreciate it. However, I'd take Mike Williams, Steven Ridley, and Christian Kirk and Speedy Noil, Reynolds in a hearbeat.
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Oct 20, 2016 9:10pm
In non-WR news, announced Booker is playing this week aye being out since game 1. Listed as Co-starter with Baker
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Oct 20, 2016 9:23pm
Benny The Jet;1817512 wrote:Thanks for the solid input, appreciate it. However, I'd take Mike Williams, Steven Ridley, and Christian Kirk and Speedy Noil, Reynolds in a hearbeat.
Just for comparison, here are the top 5 receivers for OSU, Bama and aTm

OSU
1 C SAMUEL. 403 YARDS
2 D WILSON 232 YARDS
3 N BROWN 213 YARDS
4 M BAUGH 100 YARDS
5 P CAMPBELL 75 YARDS

BAMA (7 games)
1 C RIDLEY 477 YARDS
2 A STEWART 379 YARDS
3 O HOWARD 209 YARDS
4 G DIETER 175 YARDS
5 J JACOBS 85 YARDS

aTm
1 J REYNOLDS 458 YARDS
2 C KIRK 352 YARDS
3 R SEALS-JONES 175 YARDS
4 J TABAYO 149 YARDS
5 S NOIL 116 YARDS

OSU averages 216 passing and 300 rushing. They are 106/167 63.5% throwing and have run 299 times.

Bama averages 258 passing and 274 rushing. They are 133/207 64.3% throwing and have run 298 times.

aTm averages 239 passing and 265 rushing. They are 239/265 53.3% throwing and have run 242 times

If you want to compare offenses, I think it's safe to say we are a run first offense, and sometimes we fall in love with Curtis Samuel (and he is pretty good) and we have inexperienced wide receivers outside on Wilson. Bama and aTm definitely throw the ball more than OSU does so their wide receivers have more opportunity to catch the ball this year.

I wish ESPN tracked targets for college wide receivers like they do pro wide receivers so we could see if it was a lack of catching the ball or a lack of opportunity.
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Oct 21, 2016 9:36am
FatHobbit;1817535 wrote:Just for comparison, here are the top 5 receivers for OSU, Bama and aTm

OSU
1 C SAMUEL. 403 YARDS
2 D WILSON 232 YARDS
3 N BROWN 213 YARDS
4 M BAUGH 100 YARDS
5 P CAMPBELL 75 YARDS

BAMA (7 games)
1 C RIDLEY 477 YARDS
2 A STEWART 379 YARDS
3 O HOWARD 209 YARDS
4 G DIETER 175 YARDS
5 J JACOBS 85 YARDS

aTm
1 J REYNOLDS 458 YARDS
2 C KIRK 352 YARDS
3 R SEALS-JONES 175 YARDS
4 J TABAYO 149 YARDS
5 S NOIL 116 YARDS

OSU averages 216 passing and 300 rushing. They are 106/167 63.5% throwing and have run 299 times.

Bama averages 258 passing and 274 rushing. They are 133/207 64.3% throwing and have run 298 times.

aTm averages 239 passing and 265 rushing. They are 239/265 53.3% throwing and have run 242 times

If you want to compare offenses, I think it's safe to say we are a run first offense, and sometimes we fall in love with Curtis Samuel (and he is pretty good) and we have inexperienced wide receivers outside on Wilson. Bama and aTm definitely throw the ball more than OSU does so their wide receivers have more opportunity to catch the ball this year.

I wish ESPN tracked targets for college wide receivers like they do pro wide receivers so we could see if it was a lack of catching the ball or a lack of opportunity.
I think for it really to reflect how the receivers are doing, you would have to know how many times Jt was set up to pass and no one was open so he ran. If he passed every time he was suppose to, the pass/rush would probably be a little closer. It is hard to know for sure of those numbers since we do not have anyway of knowing what play was called in each situation.
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Oct 21, 2016 9:59am
mcburg93;1817589 wrote:I think for it really to reflect how the receivers are doing, you would have to know how many times Jt was set up to pass and no one was open so he ran. If he passed every time he was suppose to, the pass/rush would probably be a little closer. It is hard to know for sure of those numbers since we do not have anyway of knowing what play was called in each situation.
Good point. Maybe it has something to do with the heavy rotation of WR that there isn't a good connection with 1 specific group of 3 guys. Would like to see something like Brown outside, Samuel in slot who can motion into backfield when needed, and then 1 other (Paris maybe?) get like 80% of the plays...vs. swapping in and out constantly. Heavy rotation could also be due to still looking for the right guy, who knows.
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Oct 21, 2016 10:17am
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Oct 21, 2016 10:55am
FatHobbit;1817600 wrote:This article says JT was pretty good against the badgers

http://ohiostate.247sports.com/Bolt/Barrett-was-better-than-most-think-in-beating-Badgers-48380265
So after reading that article...it sounds like they're putting most of the miscues and in-completions on the WR, no?
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Oct 21, 2016 11:26am
Benny The Jet;1817607 wrote:So after reading that article...it sounds like they're putting most of the miscues and in-completions on the WR, no?
The article did place all the blame on the WRs. I am confident we can win every game up to the Meatchicken game with the way we are playing. I think if we dont get some improvement from the receivers we might have some trouble with ttun.
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Oct 21, 2016 12:09pm
mcburg93;1817619 wrote:The article did place all the blame on the WRs. I am confident we can win every game up to the Meatchicken game with the way we are playing. I think if we dont get some improvement from the receivers we might have some trouble with ttun.
Agreed. (Cue sleeper's 50 point guarantees against um, Alabama, and Clemson)
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Oct 21, 2016 1:06pm
Benny The Jet;1817607 wrote:So after reading that article...it sounds like they're putting most of the miscues and in-completions on the WR, no?
Ha ha I did not mean that as a continuation of the receiver debate, I just thought it was interesting. But yes they do put a lot of the blame on the receivers
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Oct 22, 2016 8:45pm
Catching a punt is not that difficult god damn.
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Oct 22, 2016 8:54pm
Curtis Samuel has no carries, no catches, and only one target. This offense is straight trash right now.
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Oct 22, 2016 9:00pm
Tough conditions. But still, horrible first half for the offense.
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Oct 22, 2016 9:07pm
Why the fuck are they not giving the ball to Curtis Samuel early and often? It's unbelievable
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Oct 22, 2016 9:07pm
Why is osu trying so hard to force the passing game.
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Oct 22, 2016 9:08pm
Very predictable right now, running routes short of 1st down marker, no separation. Curtis not touching the ball. This isn't real pretty right now
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Oct 22, 2016 9:16pm
Benny The Jet;1817825 wrote:Very predictable right now, running routes short of 1st down marker, no separation. Curtis not touching the ball. This isn't real pretty right now
I hate when I see any team throw the ball short of the first down. Pisses me off even more when a receiver runs a route short of a first down. Just bad coaching in my opinion. The receivers are still not getting separation. Unreal.
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Oct 22, 2016 9:29pm
Hell of a play by Baugh.
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Oct 22, 2016 9:39pm
JT with a Houdini play.
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Oct 22, 2016 9:50pm
Big mistake by UM to call a timeout on that drive. Should have just taken a 12-0 halftime lead
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Oct 22, 2016 9:51pm
SportsAndLady;1817831 wrote:Big mistake by UM to call a timeout on that drive. Should have just taken a 12-0 halftime lead
He didn't.