This offense will be really hard to stop with Johnny entering next season with a few games under his belt AND the team provides him with weapons. They need another wide receiver to go with Gordon, Benjamin and Hartline. Duke appears to be the real deal as well. They whiffed on Irving and as such will need to get 2 o-linemen in the draft. If they do that, Manziel will wreck the league next year and easily rank in the top.

Yesterday showed just how incredible he is. Grecco goes down in the first quarter and Irving played olay with his man all day. No Hartline, ..no Greco..no Bitonio...no nothing.

Browns fans can at least hang their hats on the fact the 16 year quarterback clusterfuck has finally been resolved.

Al Bundy;1770620 wrote:Pettine tried to play Johnny all year, but Johnny didn't want the responsibility.

Yeah...Johnny started the opener didn't he? Face it Bungy, you just can't get a grip on how good Manziel is turning out to be. And Cueball...what an idiot. "McCown gives the team the best chance to win" bullshit.

Why do you guys argue with him. If the Browns win, it's because Manziel played like a God. If the Browns lose, it's because Manziel played like a God but no one else did. Throw in some irrelevant college stats, inaccurate playoff scenarios, awful spelling, and quoting some shitty Cleveland radio station and there you have it. Manziel's girlfriend doesn't suck him off as much as Footwedge would like to. Let it go.

Footwedge;1770841 wrote:Don't you have better things to do? You know...like banning me on the next Browns thread? Only you throw your cyber space weaight around against people with a different opinion than yours. This just in dude....you Johnny haters are just a teeny tiny minority now. You ban me? You are banning the majority view of Browns fans. Make sure you remind your mother just how important you are on this web site.

Hey retard, for the 1,465th time, I couldn't ban you if I wanted to dipshit.

friendfromlowry;1770864 wrote:Why do you guys argue with him. If the Browns win, it's because Manziel played like a God. If the Browns lose, it's because Manziel played like a God but no one else did. Throw in some irrelevant college stats, inaccurate playoff scenarios, awful spelling, and quoting some shitty Cleveland radio station and there you have it. Manziel's girlfriend doesn't suck him off as much as Footwedge would like to. Let it go.

It's amusing to see what kind of shit he's going to spew.

I can't believe old FW has glossed over Manziel's comments yesterday. I'm loving this....

FW has been ripping on "Cueball" all year long for mismanaging JFF. Yesterday, Manziel gives Pettine & the coaching staff a vote of confidence by saying he wants "everyone back next year." So here's my question to you, FW....if Manziel wants this coaching staff & front office back next year, are you willing to live with that after all of your ripping on "high school Pettine?"

I already know the answer because JFF knows Cleveland is his best shot to start and no head coach, worth a shit, is going to want to be tied to a 5'2" & 107 lb QB as his franchise guy to start his tenure. The only way Manziel is back next year is if Pettine & Co return.

Some other things to consider. Manziel hit the hands of his receivers 24 out of 32 throws whereby the leading quarterback in the NFL hit the hands of his receivers 23 out of 30 times. Wilson did that at home against the 26th rated defense and Manziel did it on the road against the 2nd rated defense. Hmmm.

And...the Johnny haters are dropping like flies. From Tom Reid and Bud Shaw of the PD, Adam Bull, Dustin Fox and Daryl Reuter...all severe Johnny haters are all praising him for his excellent play. Why they didn't see it my way months ago is a mystery. You don't win a Heisman as a teenager, complete 69% of your passes if you aren't somebody really, really good.

What is really sad is that Manziel has to play the next 2 games missing both starting guards and his one and only possession receiver. He's set up to struggle. With that said the dude is 5 for 5 in high quality starts.

BR1986FB;1770917 wrote:I can't believe old FW has glossed over Manziel's comments yesterday. I'm loving this....

FW has been ripping on "Cueball" all year long for mismanaging JFF. Yesterday, Manziel gives Pettine & the coaching staff a vote of confidence by saying he wants "everyone back next year." So here's my question to you, FW....if Manziel wants this coaching staff & front office back next year, are you willing to live with that after all of your ripping on "high school Pettine?"

I already know the answer because JFF knows Cleveland is his best shot to start and no head coach, worth a shit, is going to want to be tied to a 5'2" & 107 lb QB as his franchise guy to start his tenure. The only way Manziel is back next year is if Pettine & Co return.

Fat boy....you are in the teeny tiny club of Johnny haters still out there. How does it feel? What do you expect Manziel to say? "I hope Jimmy cans Cueball" is that it? Bhahhaha. I guarantee you Manziel wants to see the bald headed fuck gone.

As for other teams, there's a whole boat load of teams that would love to have him, champagne drinking and all.

friendfromlowry;1770864 wrote:Why do you guys argue with him. If the Browns win, it's because Manziel played like a God. If the Browns lose, it's because Manziel played like a God but no one else did. Throw in some irrelevant college stats, inaccurate playoff scenarios, awful spelling, and quoting some shitty Cleveland radio station and there you have it. Manziel's girlfriend doesn't suck him off as much as Footwedge would like to. Let it go.

Translation...FW was right and I was wrong on JFF. Nothing else to see here folks.

Footwedge;1770919 wrote:Fat boy....you are in the teeny tiny club of Johnny haters still out there. How does it feel? What do you expect Manziel to say? "I hope Jimmy cans Cueball" is that it? Bhahhaha. I guarantee you Manziel wants to see the bald headed fuck gone.

As for other teams, there's a whole boat load of teams that would love to have him, champagne drinking and all.

You're delusional, old codger. There's not a head coach that's going to want to be tied to that midget as their starting QB in their first gig as a HC (if they are a first time HC). And if Haslam has to dictate to an incoming coach "Johnny's your QB, work with him" they are going to get bottom of the barrel/shit coaches as candidates. No legit coach is going to want that mess as his starter.

Jerry Jones may like Manziel but not as his immediate starter. I don't think there's anyone in the league who would bring Manziel in under the pretense that he'd be their starting QB. Maybe to sit, learn & eventually take the reigns but not as their starting QB right out of the gate. Only the stupid fucks, like you, would do something that moronic.

He's improved nicely but he's given no reason to believe he's a championship caliber QB.

BR1986FB;1770925 wrote:You're delusional, old codger. There's not a head coach that's going to want to be tied to that midget as their starting QB in their first gig as a HC (if they are a first time HC). And if Haslam has to dictate to an incoming coach "Johnny's your QB, work with him" they are going to get bottom of the barrel/shit coaches as candidates. No legit coach is going to want that mess as his starter.

Jerry Jones may like Manziel but not as his immediate starter. I don't think there's anyone in the league who would bring Manziel in under the pretense that he'd be their starting QB. Maybe to sit, learn & eventually take the reigns but not as their starting QB right out of the gate. Only the stupid fucks, like you, would do something that moronic.

He's improved nicely but he's given no reason to believe he's a championship caliber QB.

Teeny tiny minority...that's the club you're in. And btw...Manziel weighs more and is taller than the number one rated quarterback in the NFL.

Footwedge;1770936 wrote:Teeny tiny minority...that's the club you're in. And btw...Manziel weighs more and is taller than the number one rated quarterback in the NFL.

No, I'm actually in the majority of the "smart" fan base.

It's funny how I'm in the minority but probably 90% of this message board, who aren't over the top blind homer/JFF nuthuggers, don't think he's the answer (so they're in the minority too, I guess).

People may give me shit for listening to Cleveland radio but you're in WAY too deep believing the shit you hear on there. Most knowledgeable fans can see improvement in Manziel but aren't over the deep end, like you and a few fanboys, thinking he's the long term solution.

If he impresses in his next few starts, he might be worth moving forward with but if there's a new regime, he'll be gone.