A lot of people think that either JFF or Cueball will "not be on the roster next year". Pretty easy decision for Jimmy.

In then 4th quarter, the TV producers showed a montage of the Browns receivers dropping a half a dozen passes. The analyst pretty much said "this is why the Brows lost today."

Footwedge, you are a fucking retard. They got destroyed.

Footwedge;1770608 wrote:In then 4th quarter, the TV producers showed a montage of the Browns receivers dropping a half a dozen passes. The analyst pretty much said "this is why the Brows lost today."

We all know that the defense and receivers suck. We also can see that Johnny isn't an NFL level qb. Maybe someday he will develop into an average qb, but with all of the turnovers, I don't even see that happening. He makes very poor decisions and has a weak arm by nfl standards.

DeyDurkie5;1770609 wrote:Footwedge, you are a fucking retard. They got destroyed.

But none of it is the quarterbacks fault!!!

GoChiefs;1770613 wrote:But none of it is the quarterbacks fault!!!

If Johnny has an All-Pro at every position, maybe he could be a game manager.

It's all good. We have found out that the quarterback problem has been resolved and that we need a new head coach. We should get an excellent draft position and Gordon will be coming back.

If Jimmy agrees with the 80% of fans that know Johnny's a baller and that Pettine screwed Cleveland by not playing him all year, this team will be in the playoffs in 2 years.

Footwedge;1770615 wrote:It's all good. We have found out that the quarterback problem has been resolved and that we need a new head coach. We should get an excellent draft position and Gordon will be coming back.

If Jimmy agrees with the 80% of fans that know Johnny's a baller and that Pettine screwed Cleveland by not playing him all year, this team will be in the playoffs in 2 years.

Pettine tried to play Johnny all year, but Johnny didn't want the responsibility.

It's great to see Clownsters turning on each other and hating on their own ball club. My work is done here for another year. Just something else I'm extremely good at Heretic.

Footwedge;1770605 wrote:Excuses? No. Just reality. Yeah...Johnny gave up 430 yards today too. If the 2 quarterbacks played on the opposite teams today the score ends up 30-13.... Seattle. But go ahead and blame Manziel.

Who's "blaming" Manziel? I'd give him a B-/C+ for yesterday's performance but that's not going to bring a Lombardi to C-Town. He's still improving but it's not good enough.

Like almost all the other games, the reason we lost was not the quarterback. Manziel played well enough. Did he, "transcend the cast of characters around him" (as Pettine would say). No. That said, he is showing more and more that he is capable of being at least an average QB in this league, and considering the small sample of games that he is played in, does not preclude him from being a top tier QB with development. Between Manziel, McCown, and Davis... I think the Browns have the QB situation covered for next year and can turn their draft attention to other positions like WR or defense.

BR1986FB;1770582 wrote:And this people, is the battle cry of the typical Johnny Football apologist. It will always be "someone else's fault."

Well, it's not like he can use his other go-to of QBR, since it was 69.9 yesterday. I mean, obviously that was all everyone elses' faults, but still...

Manziel hit the hands of the receivers on 24 out of 31 attempts of which 6 were dropped. All this against the third ranked defense in all of football...a team that surrendered their first touchdown in 6 games. That drive saw a young Johnny Manziel shred the living shit out of them.

Noted Johnny hater Mary Kay Cabot in her article today said Manziel played well. Terry Pluto, the best writer the PD has correctly called Manziel's performance "solid". Adam the full of Bull, a self proclaimed Johnny hater said multiple times on his show today that Johnny has surprised him and could be good in this league.

No. anybody with half a brain knows that the problem is not the quarterback, but 3fold.

1. A horrible defense
2. Midget receivers that can't catch a cold.
3. An offensive line that is...well....offensive.

There are wayyy too many Johnson Badascanbes playing on defense.

Just announced through sources that Farmer is going to be canned at the end of the season..

The Browns need to trade out of their top pick and get 2 number ones. They should draft the best available wide receiver to go along with Benjamin, Hartline, Gordon and Pryor. Taylor Gabriel had 2 more drops yesterday and needs to be cut. As should Bowe, Moore and any other crap out there at wide out. Next they need to draft 2 offensive linemen since they whiffed on Irving.

Manziel is obviously a stud and it's time to align him with weapons. If the Browns do what I say here, Manziel will be a top 10 quarterback next year.

As for the defense, they need help everywhere, but I think a new d coordinator would bring the "highest paid defensive" to a level of respectability

Heretic;1770719 wrote:Well, it's not like he can use his other go-to of QBR, since it was 69.9 yesterday. I mean, obviously that was all everyone elses' faults, but still...

What is it about 6 dropped passes do you not understand? Also, Manziel gave up third down conversions to the Seahawks 9 out of 12 times. Manziel forced KC to punt only one times. Yeah...it was all Johnny's fault. You are an idiot Lunatic.

Footwedge;1770822 wrote:What is it about 6 dropped passes do you not understand? Also, Manziel gave up third down conversions to the Seahawks 9 out of 12 times. Manziel forced KC to punt only one times. Yeah...it was all Johnny's fault. You are an idiot Lunatic.

NOBODY has said it was all Johnny's fault you retard.

Footwedge;1770817 wrote:Manziel hit the hands of the receivers on 24 out of 31 attempts of which 6 were dropped. All this against the third ranked defense in all of football...a team that surrendered their first touchdown in 6 games. That drive saw a young Johnny Manziel shred the living shit out of them.

You calling me an idiot means nothing when you say things like this, ignoring how Pittsburgh scored three touchdowns against Seattle's defense three games before Johnny's moment of glory. Three is less than six, if you were wondering.

Dangerous Daryl Ruiter, a long time Johnny hater, has a different tune today on the Animal House and spoke directly to the 6 dropped passes and said Manziel played really well. Daryl, just like Adam the full of the Bull, Dustin Faus Pas and other Johnny haters are seeing the light. How can you not? The recently turned 23 year old continues to play like God with an absolute abomination of a supporting cast.

It's fun watching you blame everyone else when Johnny isn't doing great, but when he has a good game, it's all him. Because Crowell rushing for 140-150 or whatever last week obviously did nothing to help him with the passing end of the game.

Footwedge;1770822 wrote:What is it about 6 dropped passes do you not understand? Also, Manziel gave up third down conversions to the Seahawks 9 out of 12 times. Manziel forced KC to punt only one times. Yeah...it was all Johnny's fault. You are an idiot Lunatic.

KC?

Heretic;1770826 wrote:You calling me an idiot means nothing when you say things like this, ignoring how Pittsburgh scored three touchdowns against Seattle's defense three games before Johnny's moment of glory. Three is less than six, if you were wondering.

I quoted Mary Kay's article which said that so blame her. Doesn't change the fact that Manziel played like God once again against the number 3 rated defense.

Heretic;1770830 wrote:It's fun watching you blame everyone else when Johnny isn't doing great, but when he has a good game, it's all him. Because Crowell rushing for 140-150 or whatever last week obviously did nothing to help him with the passing end of the game.

That's not true you dumb fuck. I called last week's game only his third best.. gave a ton of credit to the rest of the team. Moreover, Manzile's best game far and away was against your Steelers. You know...the game where the Browns "only" scored 9 points...right?

Lubatic, all this time I thought LHShemp was the dumbest poster on this site.

GoChiefs;1770825 wrote:NOBODY has said it was all Johnny's fault you retard.

Don't you have better things to do? You know...like banning me on the next Browns thread? Only you throw your cyber space weaight around against people with a different opinion than yours. This just in dude....you Johnny haters are just a teeny tiny minority now. You ban me? You are banning the majority view of Browns fans. Make sure you remind your mother just how important you are on this web site.

Footwedge if Johnny's QBR would place him 21st among qualified QBs (36 of them if you include Manziel), can you tell me what percentile of QBs Manziel is in?

Until you show you can calculate percentiles correctly, you're not a smarter poster than me. Therefore, I can't be the dumbest poster on this site if you're dumber than me.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Oh and congrats on being too big a p*ssy to take my 14.5 point spread bet. The terms were laid out for you, and you got either too scared or realized you couldn't afford to pay me $500 when I proved to be right.

Failwedge strikes again!

lhslep134;1770843 wrote:Footwedge if Johnny's QBR would place him 21st among qualified QBs (36 of them if you include Manziel), can you tell me what percentile of QBs Manziel is in?

Until you show you can calculate percentiles correctly, you're not a smarter poster than me. Therefore, I can't be the dumbest poster on this site if you're dumber than me.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Shemp you are moved out of the basement as the dumbest poster on this site..Didn't think it possible, but Lunatic has taken your bottom spot.