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BR1986FB
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Jan 28, 2016 7:30am
How nice would it be to be 28 years old and one of the top personnel guys for an NFL team?se-alum;1778642 wrote:Sounds like a pretty nice http://www.newsnet5.com/sports/browns/browns-name-new-vp-of-player-personnel-rounding-out-upper-management-team
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 28, 2016 5:49pm
If 92.3 posts their interview with former Buccaneers GM Mark Dominik, I highly recommend giving it a listen. So much good football stuff.
Just a fascinating interview for a football junky.
Just a fascinating interview for a football junky.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 29, 2016 11:33am
And as a side note from the Dominik interview, which should please guys like S&L, Dominik said whether the Browns select Wentz, Goff or Lynch at #2 they won't go wrong.
All are good character guys who should translate to franchise QB's. Just need to weed through them and pick the one that fits them best. He actually said Lynch might be the best pocket passer. Mentioned that Wentz probably wasn't a 1st rounder on many teams boards until these Senior Bowl practices but will be now.
I'm sure they will have a favorite but it's comforting to know that should someone leapfrog them to #1 and take the Brown's guy, there will be a suitable fallback option (still want your guy though).
He also mentioned that he could see 5 QB's go in the first round with Hackenberg (possibly to the Texans/O'Brien connection) and Cook being the other two.
All are good character guys who should translate to franchise QB's. Just need to weed through them and pick the one that fits them best. He actually said Lynch might be the best pocket passer. Mentioned that Wentz probably wasn't a 1st rounder on many teams boards until these Senior Bowl practices but will be now.
I'm sure they will have a favorite but it's comforting to know that should someone leapfrog them to #1 and take the Brown's guy, there will be a suitable fallback option (still want your guy though).
He also mentioned that he could see 5 QB's go in the first round with Hackenberg (possibly to the Texans/O'Brien connection) and Cook being the other two.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 30, 2016 1:08pm
The joke that is Johnny manziel continues to write itself.
Cops called to his house in what's assumed a domestic abuse situation.
http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/01/30/johnny-manziel-cops-called-after-altercation-with-girlfriend/
Cops called to his house in what's assumed a domestic abuse situation.
http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/01/30/johnny-manziel-cops-called-after-altercation-with-girlfriend/
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Jan 30, 2016 1:21pm
This might explain Jim Brown's recent support of him. They share a lot in common.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 30, 2016 2:09pm
Dude's a sinking ship. Faster they move on from him, the better. Getting sick of seeing stories about a clown who's not much longer for this league.SportsAndLady;1779025 wrote:The joke that is Johnny manziel continues to write itself.
Cops called to his house in what's assumed a domestic abuse situation.
http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/01/30/johnny-manziel-cops-called-after-altercation-with-girlfriend/
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jan 30, 2016 3:03pm
This is the exact reason that the Browns should not be so eager as to grab a QB with the #2 pick. These guys are fish in a barrel, and 1 appearance or workout isn't enough to put one ahead of another. Browns should trade down, get an extra high value pick or more...and then grab the best QB available when their turn comes.HighRoller74;1778438 wrote:I've seen a few reports that Wentz had looked amazing, and has over taken Goff in the eyes of many scouts
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 30, 2016 3:07pm
Give me a fucking breakHitsRus;1779033 wrote:This is the exact reason that the Browns should not be so eager as to grab a QB with the #2 pick.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jan 30, 2016 3:13pm
Wentz, Goff, Lynch...etc, etc.....one or more will be available deep into the first round. Trade down and get another high value pick. Not rocket science.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 30, 2016 3:26pm
Yes, let's take the guy that everyone is passing on. When we have our choice of the top guy, let's take the one that drops. The Browns way!HitsRus;1779036 wrote:Wentz, Goff, Lynch...etc, etc.....one or more will be available deep into the first round. Trade down and get another high value pick. Not rocket science.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 30, 2016 4:39pm
Hits, that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.
Do your research, the one you like best, you take. It would be smarter to trade up to 1 to guarantee you get your guy than to trade down and take the worst one.
Do your research, the one you like best, you take. It would be smarter to trade up to 1 to guarantee you get your guy than to trade down and take the worst one.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 30, 2016 5:07pm
I still rather take goff.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 30, 2016 5:16pm
Thank you lol. I swear I lose my mind when I hear Browns fans say that.Laley23;1779044 wrote:Hits, that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.
Do your research, the one you like best, you take. It would be smarter to trade up to 1 to guarantee you get your guy than to trade down and take the worst one.
When we try to get cute, we fuck it up.
We have the first QB option available To us and we need a QB (desperately). To trade down to add an extra DE that may not pan out and take the third or fourth best QB option is mind boggingly retarded.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jan 30, 2016 5:29pm
Yeah, because QBs taken in the top 5 picks ALWAYS become franchise QBs and are NEVER busts....I think I'll take an extra high value pick or two IF I can get it... Especially for a team that needs to upgrade at more than half the positions.Laley23;1779044 wrote:Hits, that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.
Do your research, the one you like best, you take. It would be smarter to trade up to 1 to guarantee you get your guy than to trade down and take the worst one.
I'm not saying that they necessarily have to do it, but I would certainly entertain offers.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jan 30, 2016 6:20pm
meanwhile, deep in the heart of Texas....JFF is at it again.
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/1/30/10875856/johnny-manziel-police-girlfriend-domestic-dispute-arrest
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/1/30/10875856/johnny-manziel-police-girlfriend-domestic-dispute-arrest
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 30, 2016 6:45pm
No player drafted anywhere is not a risk-less pick. Those players you get to add by trading down? They could all be busts.HitsRus;1779048 wrote:Yeah, because QBs taken in the top 5 picks ALWAYS become franchise QBs and are NEVER busts....I think I'll take an extra high value pick or two IF I can get it... Especially for a team that needs to upgrade at more than half the positions.
I'm not saying that they necessarily have to do it, but I would certainly entertain offers.
You have a much better chance on hitting on a franchise QB by taking the #1 option than taking the fourth.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jan 30, 2016 7:02pm
I would agree with you 100% if QB was the only position on the field holding us back...or even if it was only one of a couple owing to how important a position it is. But the Browns need so many things one or two extra picks would be helpful.
A lot of it boils down to how you rate the QBs and your confidence in determining whether one is better than the other, and is it worth turning down extra picks. And of course, it depends what you are offered. If the Browns were offered an RGIII type of deal, they would be foolish to turn it down. My point here is only that I've seen varying reports on who is the better QB in this draft, and if there is not a lot of difference (especially in the Browns' eyes) they should make a deal and move down.
A lot of it boils down to how you rate the QBs and your confidence in determining whether one is better than the other, and is it worth turning down extra picks. And of course, it depends what you are offered. If the Browns were offered an RGIII type of deal, they would be foolish to turn it down. My point here is only that I've seen varying reports on who is the better QB in this draft, and if there is not a lot of difference (especially in the Browns' eyes) they should make a deal and move down.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 30, 2016 8:03pm
They may fuck up and take the wrong QB. They are the Browns. But that's not the point. Trading down and settling for someone who isn't your #1 option is dumb. You may be wrong, but IF you think a certain guy is going to be a Super Bowl winning QB, you take him. You don't trade down and pray he falls to you.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Jan 31, 2016 12:05pm
HitsRus;1779036 wrote:Wentz, Goff, Lynch...etc, etc.....one or more will be available deep into the first round. Trade down and get another high value pick. Not rocket science.
Yeah bc trading down has always worked so great for us
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jan 31, 2016 12:52pm
What has worked for us? It doesn't matter if you stay put, trade up or down ... You still have to make the right picks.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 31, 2016 1:39pm
I actually heard some stat that over 60% of the QB's taken in the top 5 turn out to be franchise guys. You're going to see more Cam Newton's, Andrew Luck's, Peyton Manning's be successful than Russell Wilson/Tom Brady's. I just don't trust any Browns front office to get that pick right later in the draft.HitsRus;1779048 wrote:Yeah, because QBs taken in the top 5 picks ALWAYS become franchise QBs and are NEVER busts....I think I'll take an extra high value pick or two IF I can get it... Especially for a team that needs to upgrade at more than half the positions.
I'm not saying that they necessarily have to do it, but I would certainly entertain offers.
I'm all about value and getting the most bang for your buck but the ONLY way you trade down is if it's 1 or 2 spots and you know your guy is going to be there. The Browns will likely be bad in 2016 but I doubt they are 2015 "bad" so they likely won't be selecting this high for a while. Bite the bullet & take the QB at 2.
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BR1986FB
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Jan 31, 2016 1:43pm
It's nice that a good QB could fall to them later in the draft but you want YOUR guy. If Wentz is their guy at #2, you don't trade down to #10, let Dallas take Wentz at #4 and "settle" for Lynch or Goff at #10. That's the whole point of having that #2 pick....so you can select your guy. They can't screw around with this and pull a Mangini.HitsRus;1779036 wrote:Wentz, Goff, Lynch...etc, etc.....one or more will be available deep into the first round. Trade down and get another high value pick. Not rocket science.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 31, 2016 1:45pm
As stated above, the only way I trade down is if if 1 or two spots AND they still get the guy they orignally want. No need to be cute and play penis flickers by settling for the 2nd choice.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 31, 2016 1:50pm
Yep, RG3 is a great example as to why you don't fuck around.like_that;1779125 wrote:As stated above, the only way I trade down is if if 1 or two spots AND they still get the guy they orignally want. No need to be cute and play penis flickers by settling for the 2nd choice.
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BR1986FB
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Feb 1, 2016 9:05am
Hopefully a positive sign?
http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Alex-Mack-Browns-going-in-the-right-direction-43268254
http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Alex-Mack-Browns-going-in-the-right-direction-43268254