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slingshot4ever
Posts: 4,085
Dec 27, 2015 9:04pm
I don't think Elliot is the answer
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Dec 27, 2015 9:56pm
I think this is a good point. Drove down the field a few times in the 4th with a chance to tie or take the lead. Settled for a field goal, missed badly on 4th down, and time ran out on that last pass. His scrambling abilities keep drives alive, but I think it hurts his ability to pass. Probably too tired to make an accurate throw when he's running all over the damn place.HitsRus;1771552 wrote: The game was there for the taking and bottom line, he didn't get it done.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 27, 2015 10:14pm
Manziel. 13/32 passing.
Tell me more about how Manziel is the future in Cleveland.
Tell me more about how Manziel is the future in Cleveland.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 28, 2015 2:57am
Pretty much agree with all points of like_that's post. I want them to grab a QB, but I just don't know if that guy is in this draft.Ironman92;1771568 wrote:Good post
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Dec 28, 2015 9:41am
Despite lackluster passing stats, Manziel drew praise from the Browns coaching staff including Mike Pettine, several Browns players, and the Kansas City defense.
Donte Witner commented," I think we have the starting quarterback for next year." And went on to say that he ( Manziel)is only going to get better with time and more work, and that his ability to extend plays with his legs frustrates a defense.... A fact to which Kansas City defensive players concurred.
Just sayin'.....
Donte Witner commented," I think we have the starting quarterback for next year." And went on to say that he ( Manziel)is only going to get better with time and more work, and that his ability to extend plays with his legs frustrates a defense.... A fact to which Kansas City defensive players concurred.
Just sayin'.....
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 28, 2015 9:44am
That literally means nothing.HitsRus;1771600 wrote:Despite lackluster passing stats, Manziel drew praise from the Browns coaching staff including Mike Pettine, several Browns players, and the Kansas City defense.
Donte Witner commented," I think we have the starting quarterback for next year." And went on to say that he ( Manziel)is only going to get better with time and more work, and that his ability to extend plays with his legs frustrates a defense.... A fact to which Kansas City defensive players concurred.
Just sayin'.....
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Dec 28, 2015 10:16am
I have already said a few posts earlier in this thread, that the bottom line is "W".
But in terms of player evaluations for next year, everything goes in the mix. He got positive reviews from people who know a lot more than you do.
But in terms of player evaluations for next year, everything goes in the mix. He got positive reviews from people who know a lot more than you do.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 28, 2015 10:28am
Who gives a fuck what Donte Whitner says? WHat has he ever done to be able to make a comment like that, where I would actually care?HitsRus;1771608 wrote:I have already said a few posts earlier in this thread, that the bottom line is "W".
But in terms of player evaluations for next year, everything goes in the mix. He got positive reviews from people who know a lot more than you do.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 28, 2015 10:37am
Say one of the "top 3" QBs fall to the 2nd round. Would you be ok with drafting one of them? I think one of them will and if not that dude from NDSU everyone is high on will.SportsAndLady;1771611 wrote:Who gives a fuck what Donte Whitner says? WHat has he ever done to be able to make a comment like that, where I would actually care?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 28, 2015 10:39am
I think we should do the work required to evaluate who the top QB will be, and draft that QB with the top pick we'll have.like_that;1771615 wrote:Say one of the "top 3" QBs fall to the 2nd round. Would you be ok with drafting one of them? I think one of them will and if not that dude from NDSU everyone is high on will.
Trying to draft "value QB's" have doomed this franchise since '99.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 28, 2015 10:39am
Whitner should really keep his mouth shut & worry about his own play. Gipson & K'Waun Williams looked like they wanted to kill him when he blew coverage on that Kelce TD. I doubt Whitner is on this squad next year as he's done. With that being said, he IS entitled to an opinion.HitsRus;1771600 wrote:Despite lackluster passing stats, Manziel drew praise from the Browns coaching staff including Mike Pettine, several Browns players, and the Kansas City defense.
Donte Witner commented," I think we have the starting quarterback for next year." And went on to say that he ( Manziel)is only going to get better with time and more work, and that his ability to extend plays with his legs frustrates a defense.... A fact to which Kansas City defensive players concurred.
Just sayin'.....
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Dec 28, 2015 10:43am
So regardless of where he's rated whether it be the 3rd best player in the draft, or 20th, you want him taken top 2?SportsAndLady;1771616 wrote:I think we should do the work required to evaluate who the top QB will be, and draft that QB with the top pick we'll have.
Trying to draft "value QB's" have doomed this franchise since '99.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 28, 2015 11:05am
Yeah you're just being dramatic nowHighRoller74;1771618 wrote:So regardless of where he's rated whether it be the 3rd best player in the draft, or 20th, you want him taken top 2?
You guys know my stance on the draft. Take a QB with the top pick.
If you want to say "well if tom Brady is available with their 5th round pick, you'd rather take Jamarcus Russell with the #1?!?!" all you want. Point remains my stance is that we, as a franchise, have been buried by "waiting" to draft a QB and we've never been successful at doing it. We finally have the opportunity to draft the best QB available. So you do that.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Dec 28, 2015 11:07am
Rumors swirling that ron Wolf will serve as a consultant to haslam to turn this thing around. Hopefully he will bring his e Eliot from the packers in to be our GM
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Sonofanump
Dec 28, 2015 11:07am
That is how it works for QBs. By far the most important position on the field, the WAR to the next important position can't be close.HighRoller74;1771618 wrote:So regardless of where he's rated whether it be the 3rd best player in the draft, or 20th, you want him taken top 2?
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Dec 28, 2015 11:38am
Looks like Pettine may be given another year, and Farmer showed the door. (per Bleacher Report)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2603046-insider-buzz-browns-expected-to-keep-pettine-blame-gm-farmer-for-failures
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2603046-insider-buzz-browns-expected-to-keep-pettine-blame-gm-farmer-for-failures
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 28, 2015 11:51am
halle-fricking-lujahHighRoller74;1771632 wrote:.... and Farmer showed the door. (per Bleacher Report)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2603046-insider-buzz-browns-expected-to-keep-pettine-blame-gm-farmer-for-failures
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 28, 2015 12:01pm
That tells me they are ok to roll out Jff next season.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Dec 28, 2015 12:12pm
I find that hard to believe. I just don't see any GM worth his salt coming to a shitty team and NOT being able to pick his own head coach.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 28, 2015 12:27pm
Comes from good bloodlines. This is what I was hoping for. Bring in a football guy (Ron Wolf) to help select the next GM.shook_17;1771625 wrote:Rumors swirling that ron Wolf will serve as a consultant to haslam to turn this thing around. Hopefully he will bring his e Eliot from the packers in to be our GM
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2015/12/27/10672562/la-canfora-hearing-strong-buzz-about-eliot-wolf-as-the-browns-next
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 28, 2015 12:30pm
Wouldn't necessarily be a fan of this but they'd better tell him to find a new D-Coordinator if he's back.HighRoller74;1771632 wrote:Looks like Pettine may be given another year, and Farmer showed the door. (per Bleacher Report)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2603046-insider-buzz-browns-expected-to-keep-pettine-blame-gm-farmer-for-failures
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 28, 2015 1:47pm
I'll believe it when I see it, Jason Cole can GFH.HighRoller74;1771632 wrote:Looks like Pettine may be given another year, and Farmer showed the door. (per Bleacher Report)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2603046-insider-buzz-browns-expected-to-keep-pettine-blame-gm-farmer-for-failures
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Dec 28, 2015 1:50pm
I watched Star Wars 3-D instead of this game.
Good choice.
Congrats to Johnny for setting franchise running record for qb's.
On to 3-13.
Good choice.
Congrats to Johnny for setting franchise running record for qb's.
On to 3-13.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Dec 28, 2015 2:03pm
No way a quality GM comes here and gets stuck with Pettine. Wont happen, so if the keep farmer they are going to promote from within. If Pettine stays O'Niel has to go
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Dec 28, 2015 3:44pm
This was really all you needed to say. Cleveland will not get a known GM regardless of who the coach is or is not. We will be stuck with a retread or a young up-and-coming guy trying to make his mark where he couldn't care less of who his head coach is. The front office is such a dumpster fire anyone proven will not touch it, unless they have Cleveland hometown ties.shook_17;1771657 wrote:No way a quality GM comes here