sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Dec 16, 2015 12:24pm
I understand the move. But I'm going to miss Frazier in Cincinnati.Midstate01;1769778 wrote:Frazier traded to white sox
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 16, 2015 2:04pm
Sucks
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 16, 2015 2:09pm
Haha. Pretty much got the same shitty package people rumored them to get for Chapman.
Cornerstone of the deal, Jose Peraza. A guy the Braves (if you follow the Braves, you know they are literally gutting their franchise to contend in 2018 and later) dealt him for a 30-year old Olivera in July.
Many on Twitter are saying the Dodgers, also involved in the deal, received a better package of prospects than the Reds, who gave up the best player.
Cornerstone of the deal, Jose Peraza. A guy the Braves (if you follow the Braves, you know they are literally gutting their franchise to contend in 2018 and later) dealt him for a 30-year old Olivera in July.
Many on Twitter are saying the Dodgers, also involved in the deal, received a better package of prospects than the Reds, who gave up the best player.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Dec 16, 2015 2:39pm
The reds got to choose which package they wanted. Peraza sucks, yet the reds love him.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Dec 16, 2015 2:41pm
Sad to see Frazier go.
gerb131
Posts: 9,932
Dec 16, 2015 10:02pm
Chiming in to missing Frazier
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 16, 2015 10:16pm
Why not trade BP? Or Bruce?
Why the hell wouldn't you trade guys who've never done anything for this franchise? And trade the young guy who has shown glimpses of hope (HR derby)?
Fucking reds.
Why the hell wouldn't you trade guys who've never done anything for this franchise? And trade the young guy who has shown glimpses of hope (HR derby)?
Fucking reds.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 16, 2015 10:36pm
Todd Frazier turns 30 in 2 months.
Jay Bruce turns 29 in 4 months.
Frazier is a free agent after 2017, where it's quite clear that as a premium 3B, both offensively and defensively, he is well out of the Reds price range.
However, Frazier was a late bloomer. He will get ONE shot at a big contract. He wasn't going to be a Red past 2017.
Problem isn't trading him, it's that the GM doesn't know how to get good stuff back in a trade.
Jay Bruce turns 29 in 4 months.
Frazier is a free agent after 2017, where it's quite clear that as a premium 3B, both offensively and defensively, he is well out of the Reds price range.
However, Frazier was a late bloomer. He will get ONE shot at a big contract. He wasn't going to be a Red past 2017.
Problem isn't trading him, it's that the GM doesn't know how to get good stuff back in a trade.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Dec 16, 2015 10:37pm
Word is they are trying to move BP too.SportsAndLady;1769865 wrote:Why not trade BP? Or Bruce?
Why the hell wouldn't you trade guys who've never done anything for this franchise? And trade the young guy who has shown glimpses of hope (HR derby)?
Fucking reds.
But this move is just like the Chapman move in my mind. Frazier was arbitration eligible at the end of this coming season, and will be a free agent in 2 years. They may not have gotten the best deal for him since they are in full fire sale mode. But they actually moved him at the right time...unlike waiting too long like they did with Chapman.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Dec 16, 2015 11:53pm
I'm always amazed how many people don't realize how old Frazier is. None of my friends had a clue.
Regardless, I was sad to see him go.
BP would be awesome to get traded (even tho my favorite player), but his no trade will make that really hard.
No doubt Chapman still gets dealt. What they get for him... that's now the question.
Regardless, I was sad to see him go.
BP would be awesome to get traded (even tho my favorite player), but his no trade will make that really hard.
No doubt Chapman still gets dealt. What they get for him... that's now the question.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Dec 17, 2015 12:12pm
May not be as hard now that Dusty is coaching in Washington. BP would have to approve a trade to the Nationals, but would probably be open to reuniting with Dusty and playing on a contender.Midstate01;1769876 wrote: BP would be awesome to get traded (even tho my favorite player), but his no trade will make that really hard.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 17, 2015 4:00pm
I say "contender" doesn't matter to himsherm03;1769967 wrote:May not be as hard now that Dusty is coaching in Washington. BP would have to approve a trade to the Nationals, but would probably be open to reuniting with Dusty and playing on a contender.
Ironman92
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Dec 17, 2015 9:20pm
Phillips to Washington in
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Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Dec 17, 2015 9:26pm
The reds getting out of that contract is huge. Still sucks, he's my most liked red since Reggie sanders.
Ironman92
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Dec 17, 2015 9:36pm
NatDudeBP
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Dec 17, 2015 10:04pm
Phillips was on a flight to DC tonight. I guess we just wait to see what the Reds get in return.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 17, 2015 10:10pm
No one anyone has heard of
I fear we get stuck with my least favorite player
Papelbon
I fear we get stuck with my least favorite player
Papelbon
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Dec 17, 2015 11:15pm
Rosethal reporting the teams have agreed and now it's just up to Phillips to sign off on it.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Dec 17, 2015 11:32pm
I'm sure someone said this earlier, but baker being in Washington makes this the place you'd imagine Phillips would be OK with.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Dec 18, 2015 2:53am
I get why the Reds are making these trades. They can finish last in the division with or without the big name guys. Just odd to me that the strategy in baseball is if you're not going anywhere, to trade anyone of value and hope you get a decent return on prospects. At this rate, who is going to be left on the roster to show up and watch? Votto? That it?
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Dec 18, 2015 10:07am
Votto is not worth buying a ticket to see. Great player, but you're going to buy a ticket to watch him walk twice a game? Phillips was worth going to see him play defense.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 18, 2015 10:24am
Who are you kidding? Most sheeple fans by tickets for bobbleheads, free pizza after 11 strikeouts and summer weather. The majority of fans don't give a shit what players are on the field.TedSheckler;1770173 wrote:Votto is not worth buying a ticket to see. Great player, but you're going to buy a ticket to watch him walk twice a game? Phillips was worth going to see him play defense.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Dec 18, 2015 10:29am
For a rebuilding team, it's all about securing plays that have years of team control left. You're trading 2 years of Frazier for (hopefully) ~15 years of other players.friendfromlowry;1770143 wrote:Just odd to me that the strategy in baseball is if you're not going anywhere, to trade anyone of value and hope you get a decent return on prospects.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Dec 18, 2015 10:35am
It's also about building up a farm system that has a bunch of players/talent so when you are in a position to actually contend, you have the prospects available to trade for a big name player that may put you over the hump. Right now, the Reds have a pretty empty cupboard in the minors. So the moves now are to build that up.friendfromlowry;1770143 wrote:I get why the Reds are making these trades. They can finish last in the division with or without the big name guys. Just odd to me that the strategy in baseball is if you're not going anywhere, to trade anyone of value and hope you get a decent return on prospects. At this rate, who is going to be left on the roster to show up and watch? Votto? That it?
Phillips' defense wasn't as great last season. And at his age, I wouldn't be surprised if his defense dropped even more over the next few years.TedSheckler;1770173 wrote:Votto is not worth buying a ticket to see. Great player, but you're going to buy a ticket to watch him walk twice a game? Phillips was worth going to see him play defense.
This. I am getting so pissed at the people online who are saying they are never buying tickets again because the Reds traded Frazier and are looking to trade Phillips. Those same "fans" will be there in line 2 hours ahead of time for whoever actually gets a bobblehead this year. I'm sure Zack Cozart is pumped with all of these moves. He's got a shot at getting his own bobble this year.Azubuike24;1770181 wrote:Who are you kidding? Most sheeple fans by tickets for bobbleheads, free pizza after 11 strikeouts and summer weather. The majority of fans don't give a shit what players are on the field.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 18, 2015 10:46am
No one in Cincinnati buys tickets anyways. Great fans, they just watch on tv. They don't go to games.