HitsRus;1767405 wrote:Agonizingly spot on.
You draft guys, especially in the first few rounds, not only because they were good players in college, but because they possess skills and physical attributes that should make them good pro players. That so many of our early picks haven't progressed as the season has gone on is a failure of coaching.

It's not like our wasted draft picks make it other places. If that was occurring, I would say it is a player development issue. I think our talent evaluation has just been horrible.

^^^Cam Erving, Justin Gilbert were high on everybody's draft board...
Even JFF would have been drafted high had we not taken him. That's what I don't understand... We reached a bit for him, and then refuse to put him out there. You can see the progression of other QBs drafted highly as they play, but we keep putting journeymen and also-rans ahead of who we invested heavily in. It's not like the guys they are putting ahead of them are helping us win games...truly they are NOT. Clearly, this group of coaches, and Pettine in particular make choices that has not helped us to win... Not helped us to progress.. Not helped us to even evaluate. Four #1 picks in the last two years, and this organization is still the same clusterf@ck that it was when Pettine took over.

HitsRus;1767467 wrote:^^^Cam Erving, Justin Gilbert were high on everybody's draft board...
Even JFF would have been drafted high had we not taken him. That's what I don't understand... We reached a bit for him, and then refuse to put him out there. You can see the progression of other QBs drafted highly as they play, but we keep putting journeymen and also-rans ahead of who we invested heavily in. It's not like the guys they are putting ahead of them are helping us win games...truly they are NOT. Clearly, this group of coaches, and Pettine in particular make choices that has not helped us to win... Not helped us to progress.. Not helped us to even evaluate. Four #1 picks in the last two years, and this organization is still the same clusterf@ck that it was when Pettine took over.

I wonder if Manziel's time is/(has been?) up and they claim the QB competition is week to week but they're just saying that to make it look like they haven't given up all hope and salvage what they can for him...which if you ask Footwedge, will be the Cowboy's first round pick.

The 'Boys will be drafting high this year... No way we'd get a #1... If we could get a #2 I'd be ecstatic... But what a waste.
Just put JFF out there ( and Bowe too)and see what happens.
"Trust and accountability" go both ways, Mike.

HitsRus;1767470 wrote:The 'Boys will be drafting high this year... No way we'd get a #1... If we could get a #2 I'd be ecstatic... But what a waste.
Just put JFF out there ( and Bowe too)and see what happens.
"Trust and accountability" go both ways, Mike.

Second round pick for manziel?

You serious Clark?

Haha...just responding to Bundy. I said I'd be ecstatic with a #2....considering how Pettine ( with an assist from JFF himself) has ruined his value, what anybody would give for him is beyond my knowledge.

I don't think the Browns will win but I think there will be some worry for Bengals fans after the game is over.

Just one of my weird predictions.

I hope Austin Davis breaks his leg so Pettine has no choice but to play Johnny.

With all my luck though Davis plays well, Johnny stays strapped to the bench, and we blow our draft position.

Al Bundy;1767458 wrote:It's not like our wasted draft picks make it other places. If that was occurring, I would say it is a player development issue. I think our talent evaluation has just been horrible.

Jaaal Sheard...having great season. Dion Lewis...was having an All Pro season (one of Cueball's first cuts). Buster Skrine playing really well. TJ Ward...all pro type player. When are people gonna start figuring it out that among all of his other faults. Pettine has absolutely no clue as to who can play and who can't. What he has done with Manziel is just icing on the cake in how poor his player evaluation skills are.

Secondly, it's part of the coaches and their staffs to..... ummm....coachto players to be pros. How much of it is Farmer's fault and how much is it Pettine's fault?

Dion Lewis...was having an All Pro season

Let's not get crazy here. The guy had 234 yards rushing in 7 games. Good season, but hardly "All Pro".

The stadium will have 15,000 Browns fans and 20.000 Bengal fans today. How this bald headed crud still has a job I will never know. Austin Davis has a history and a large sample size of work already on his resume, and yet Cueball says he "wants to take a look at him". What a moron. Because he is more interested in running a convent instead of a football team, he continues to set the franchise further and further behind.

Manziel should have been named starter after the Titan game after Manziel put the crowd into a frenzy for the first time in years. Instead we witnessed McCown lay an egg that weeak against the lowly Raiders. Only injury forced Pettine's hand and Manziel responded way above expectations with his efforts on the road in Cincinnati and Pittsburgh. Because Manziel dranked some Dom Perignon, and sang some karaoke on his week of, Pettine was able to bench him again.

The only quarterback in history to win the Heisman as a teenager continues to rot away on the bench.

Bottoms up to the canning of Mike Pettine who has easily usurped the legacy of other incompetent Browns head coaches. Good riddance Cueball...and GO BENGALS today.

IggyPride00;1767752 wrote:Let's not get crazy here. The guy had 234 yards rushing in 7 games. Good season, but hardly "All Pro".

Dude...he was having an all pro season...PERIOD. you need to look at his whole body of work. His ypc was miles ahead of Tate, West and Crowell..all of who made the roster.

More on Lewis. His ypc was 4.8. If that isn't All Pro numbers I don't know what is. Obviously his pass catching/yards after catch was even more impressive. And for the morons out there that claim that "it's Bellichek's system", why is it that LaGarrett Blounts's ypc is only 4.2?

Adrien Peterson is an All Pro.

Dion Lewis is a nice player.

Pettine is running a full blown romper room at this point.

Chris Mortensen reporting Johnny told he will start again with considerable strings attached to it happening.

Screw this guy and his high school approach to professional football.

How embarrassing is it that the stadium looks like a high school game with all the empty seats. It's a Verizon game with only family and friends Does Haslam understand that the house would be packed with Johnny playing?

Seriously folks...Pettine is the dumbest head coach in the history of sports.

Booming 33 yard punt by Huber to pin the Browns on the 27.

IggyPride00;1767771 wrote:Pettine is running a full blown romper room at this point.

Chris Mortensen reporting Johnny told he will start again with considerable strings attached to it happening.

Screw this guy and his high school approach to professional football.

Johnny should tell Cueball to fuck off...that he should be graded on what he does on the field...not off. And Johnny has done plenty this year to warrant the franchise qb tag. If the Johnny bashers want to hang their hat on Manziel being an idiot in his off field antics, I'm OK with that. But I don't want to hear the incessant nonsense that he's got a weak arm, an inaccurate arm, can't throw deep, can't see over the line, can't throw from the pocket, and can't scramble in the NFL. He has proven the bashers to be wrong on each and every point.

Come on Davis...a good time for a pick six. Get the boo birds going.

3 Browns banged up in the first 7 min

Come on Bengals...time to start the embarrassment on this drive.

The Ginger hits o a bomb. Here we go Bengals here we go. Come on Hugh Jackson, embarrass the shit out of Pettine today.

Footwedge;1767784 wrote:Here we go Bengals here we go.

You are a disgrace

SportsAndLady;1767785 wrote:You are a disgrace

It won't let me rep you, but I tried.

SportsAndLady;1767785 wrote:You are a disgrace

Did he really post that or did you change it? (I have him blocked)