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Dec 9, 2015 3:50 PM
Midstate01;1768491 wrote:Just saw reds in talks with Indians about Todd Frazier. I'd be so bummed to see him anywhere but Cincinnati.... but I've been begging the reds to get younger talent and rebuild, so I guess I can't be a hypocrite.
Heard the deal would be Carrasco & Santana to the Reds for Frazier. Urshela would move to 1st base.
Dec 9, 2015 3:50pm
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Dec 9, 2015 3:52 PM
Laley23;1768489 wrote:And Gomez. I would love that deal.
Yes, I personally like that more than the Frazier deal


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Dec 9, 2015 3:55 PM
BR1986FB;1768498 wrote:Heard the deal would be Carrasco & Santana to the Reds for Frazier. Urshela would move to 1st base.
Makes little sense to move a slick fielding/light hitting 3B to 1B. Just read tweets that deal between Reds and Tribe is unlikely. As has been mentioned, Tribe seems unlikely to deal starters, and we don't have many high end arms in the minors right now.

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Dec 9, 2015 3:57 PM
How is it the rest of the league is seemingly swimming in money (regardless of market size) and we are shopping at the Dollar Store still with an occasional trip to Big Lots if we're good?

It makes no sense to me.
Dec 9, 2015 3:57pm
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Dec 9, 2015 4:06 PM
What small markets are dropping big cash in free agency? The DBacks? They seem to do this every few years, suck then sell everyone.

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Dec 9, 2015 4:06pm
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Dec 9, 2015 5:40 PM
BR1986FB;1768498 wrote:Heard the deal would be Carrasco & Santana to the Reds for Frazier. Urshela would move to 1st base.
There is no way that is true. Just, no way. If the Tribe even entertained the thought of both of them for Frazier...who is probably past his prime, they are retarded.
Dec 9, 2015 5:40pm
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Dec 9, 2015 5:46 PM
Wooball;1768503 wrote:What small markets are dropping big cash in free agency? The DBacks? They seem to do this every few years, suck then sell everyone.

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Why is Phoenix considered small market? 4 pro sports teams and the 7th highest metro population in the country.

My question is directed at everyone, not just you. I hear AZ sports teams get referred to as "small market" all the time.
Dec 9, 2015 5:46pm
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Dec 9, 2015 5:50 PM
lhslep134;1768530 wrote:Why is Phoenix considered small market? 4 pro sports teams and the 7th highest metro population in the country.
They're not small market, but they were the only non coastal mega market I could think of that is spending cash in free agency

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Dec 9, 2015 5:51 PM
Wooball;1768531 wrote:They're not small market, but they were the only non coastal mega market I could think of that is spending cash in free agency

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Thanks. It wasn't directed at you I was asking everyone, because PHX is generally referred to as a small market in the sports world.

Apparently they're 14th in metro, not 7th, so it's not that big, but they're 6th in pure city population.
Dec 9, 2015 5:51pm
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Dec 9, 2015 5:57 PM
lhslep134;1768532 wrote:Thanks. It wasn't directed at you I was asking everyone, because PHX is generally referred to as a small market in the sports world.

Apparently they're 14th in metro, not 7th, so it's not that big, but they're 6th in pure city population.
Their TV deal is probably pretty big. They probably draw from NM, Utah and Nevada.
Dec 9, 2015 5:57pm
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Dec 9, 2015 6:04 PM
Laley23;1768534 wrote:Their TV deal is probably pretty big. They probably draw from NM, Utah and Nevada.
That's why they're spending money, I believe they have a new deal that kicked in this year.

But my question is: "why are Phoenix sports referred to as 'small market' when discussed nationally?"

I never really thought about it until I heard someone on a podcast, I forget which one, discussing small markets and basketball and referred to the Suns as a small market.
Dec 9, 2015 6:04pm
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Dec 9, 2015 6:12 PM
BR1986FB;1768383 wrote:After the brass said "none of the starters are available for trade", the D-Backs reached out to the Tribe wanting Salazar. The Tribe asked for AJ Pollock in return so the D-Backs made a deal with the Braves instead.

Sounds like they have spoken to 20+ teams regarding 25 players but nothing done yet.
You can pretty much say this about every tribe off season. Dolan is too much of a cheap fuck to try and get this team over the hump. All these rumors are just rumors and nothing will come out of it. We just better hope the pitchers gel at the right time.
Dec 9, 2015 6:12pm
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Dec 9, 2015 7:36 PM
like_that;1768538 wrote:You can pretty much say this about every tribe off season. Dolan is too much of a cheap fuck to try and get this team over the hump. All these rumors are just rumors and nothing will come out of it. We just better hope the pitchers gel at the right time.
I agree. They will probably coax David Dellucci to come back.

If they are going to get anything of value, it's going to be the trade route.
Dec 9, 2015 7:36pm
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Dec 9, 2015 8:15 PM
lhslep134;1768536 wrote:That's why they're spending money, I believe they have a new deal that kicked in this year.

But my question is: "why are Phoenix sports referred to as 'small market' when discussed nationally?"

I never really thought about it until I heard someone on a podcast, I forget which one, discussing small markets and basketball and referred to the Suns as a small market.
Multiple reasons, but the ownership of the Suns and Cardinals have probably gone a long way in giving Phoenix sports that reputation. Bidwell was an AWFUL owner that didn't pay his players until they moved into U of Phoenix Stadium, and Sarver was one of the NBA owners that was complaining the loudest about losing money before the last NBA work stoppage. In addition to that, east coasters don't typically travel to the desert unless it's to Vegas, so people aren't aware. Also, Phoenix is a transient city, no one is from there, so there is much smaller "die-hard" fanbase, sort of like Atlanta.
Dec 9, 2015 8:15pm
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Dec 9, 2015 9:42 PM
Laley23;1768528 wrote:There is no way that is true. Just, no way. If the Tribe even entertained the thought of both of them for Frazier...who is probably past his prime, they are retarded.
Past his prime? He will be entering his 5th full season and 30 years old when the season starts.
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Dec 9, 2015 10:34 PM
sportswizuhrd;1768560 wrote:Past his prime? He will be entering his 5th full season and 30 years old when the season starts.
Not this year, but in the years to come (have no idea of his contract situation, but Carrasco is under team control for like 5 more years). While on the flip side, you have 2 pitchers entering their best years. Frazier is on the wrong side of 30 to make a deal for 1 of them, let alone both, IMO. He isn't some HOF, so unless I'm getting him at 25, with his current numbers, I'll pass.
Dec 9, 2015 10:34pm
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Dec 9, 2015 11:02 PM
That deal would have made even less sense for the reds who are committed to getting younger. I'd say whoever came up with those names was way off
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Dec 9, 2015 11:39 PM
Midstate01;1768570 wrote:That deal would have made even less sense for the reds who are committed to getting younger. I'd say whoever came up with those names was way off
Lol, I read that again to see what you meant. I initially read it Carrasco and Salazar, not Santana. Changes things a bit. Swap the same Salazar for Carrasco and I'd listen, but still would want more.
Dec 9, 2015 11:39pm
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Dec 10, 2015 7:15 AM
Salazar would be the most likely to be dealt... Maybe Bauer. As Laley stated, Carrascp has a long term team friendly contract... Teams are going to have to offer a lot for that.
Dec 10, 2015 7:15am
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Dec 10, 2015 7:50 AM
Heard an interview with Francona this morning talking about the winter meetings. In a nutshell, he basically said no need to freak out if something doesn't get done at the meetings because it's often where the groundwork is laid out for future deals. What he also said, which I thought was interesting, was "we also realize that we are nowhere near ready (roster-wise) for Spring Training." Your move front office.
Dec 10, 2015 7:50am
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Dec 10, 2015 8:03 AM
BR1986FB;1768582 wrote:Heard an interview with Francona this morning talking about the winter meetings. In a nutshell, he basically said no need to freak out if something doesn't get done at the meetings because it's often where the groundwork is laid out for future deals. What he also said, which I thought was interesting, was "we also realize that we are nowhere near ready (roster-wise) for Spring Training." Your move front office.
I'm sure Francona is getting tired of this shit. There is only so much magic he can work.
Dec 10, 2015 8:03am
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Dec 10, 2015 8:23 AM
like_that;1768584 wrote:I'm sure Francona is getting tired of this shit. There is only so much magic he can work.
Oh, I agree but he seems like the type who won't speak up about it. At times last year when you'd think he would explode & lose it, he just kept an even keel with a "stay the course" type of mentality. Like you guys were saying about Joe Thomas on the Browns thread, I don't get the impression that Francona is extremely vocal/excitable.
Dec 10, 2015 8:23am
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Dec 10, 2015 10:10 AM
BR1986FB;1768589 wrote:Oh, I agree but he seems like the type who won't speak up about it. At times last year when you'd think he would explode & lose it, he just kept an even keel with a "stay the course" type of mentality. Like you guys were saying about Joe Thomas on the Browns thread, I don't get the impression that Francona is extremely vocal/excitable.
I am not quite sure about that. Look at his falling out with the Red Sox lol.
Dec 10, 2015 10:10am
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Dec 10, 2015 10:17 AM
like_that;1768618 wrote:I am not quite sure about that. Look at his falling out with the Red Sox lol.
Well, in his postgame interviews, even when they booted the ball all over the field (defensively), he sounded like he was on Prozac. Possible he's more vocal behind the scenes.
Dec 10, 2015 10:17am