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Belly35;1744133 wrote:Let start with the problem # 1: The process of collecting welfare … The corruption within many of the local government welfare operation is the first problem and the first solution. Until those departments’ records are cleaned up and the fraud, duplication is handles nothing can be corrected. The Managers and Department Heads that have lead to mismanagement of the welfare system are to be fired. Any past Welfare Officers that can be provide to be involved in corruption or mismanagement of the welfares system should lose their pension. Present employees working within the welfare system for longer that a 10 years needs to be moved from the jobs description. This rotation of personal will prevent additions fraud within the system.

Medical documentation of welfare individuals should be reviewed. Why would I say this? There needs to be verification of the legality if the prescribe condition of many welfare recipients.
The poor and those wanting to remain poor how to work the system, who, what and how to fraud the system is a well played game.

Once the welfare system is cleaned up there will be more funds for those in real need, more programs to help families and single parent to move out of poverty.
What a bunch of gubmint waste. Socialbinsurance and charity for the poor already requires 10-15% of GDP.

Just hire the poor and unemployed with the federal government providing the financing with its perfectly elastic demand for labor and for 3-5% of gdp you can stop whining about your delusional welfare scam fantasies and everyone will have an opportunity to work and ask not what their country can do for them but what they can do for their country.
Aug 5, 2015 1:06am
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sleeper;1744115 wrote:This is actually the preferable solution but I think people would rather just sit at home and collect their checks rather than have to put in meaningful work.
I disagree...Humans have adapted to trying to survive and accumulate resources in capitalist societies with a lack of employment opportunities for all.

For a marginally intelligent game theorist born in the hood...he might decide his best bet is to signal that he is not going to put on a suit but to try and make it in the black market.

If we created a market social enterprise as the floor of the labor market I think humans would adapt to try and acquire resources through this model.

Puritan virtues of hard work and modesty are no match for billions of years of evolution. If a person thinks they jave a better chance to survive and replicate their dna by eschewing puritan and conservative values in favor of a life on the welfare state they will do it and it would be an affront to their ancestors if they did not.

So let's put those evolutio,ary instincts to good use in a market for social enterprise at the floor of the labor market.
Aug 5, 2015 1:14am
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BoatShoes;1744318 wrote:I know omger work at hingry howies... I have invented an identity as a disabled and dyslexic veteran who is also a heroic entrepreneur who hates teh gubmint...this back story has ironically allowed me to live a decent existence thanks to Binder and Binder and other social workera helping me get enrolled to be a beneficiary of the mosern american socialist welfare state...I ger VA disability, social security disability, free gubmint healthcare at the VA, and all kinds of other socialist benefits laundered through the department of defense and the department of veterans affairs.

I then spend my free time complaining about socialism and entitlement while enjoying all the fruits of my socialism and entitlement.
Nailed it ... I passed up the Disabled Parking I don't need as of now.. No social sercurity disablity just my paid into social security w/ Plan A and B added, VA for 85% Disablity Veteran
Aug 5, 2015 11:11am
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Belly35;1744381 wrote:Nailed it ... I passed up the Disabled Parking I don't need as of now.. No social sercurity disablity just my paid into social security w/ Plan A and B added, VA for 85% Disablity Veteran
How are you 85% when the VA counts by 10's? There are no ratings that add up to 85%. Lying again Belly?
Aug 5, 2015 2:57pm
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BoatShoes;1744318 wrote:I know omger work at hingry howies... I have invented an identity as a disabled and dyslexic veteran who is also a heroic entrepreneur who hates teh gubmint...this back story has ironically allowed me to live a decent existence thanks to Binder and Binder and other social workera helping me get enrolled to be a beneficiary of the mosern american socialist welfare state...I ger VA disability, social security disability, free gubmint healthcare at the VA, and all kinds of other socialist benefits laundered through the department of defense and the department of veterans affairs.

I then spend my free time complaining about socialism and entitlement while enjoying all the fruits of my socialism and entitlement.
I'm pleased, if completely unsurprised, that this thread showed how much fictional BS Belly spews on a daily basis.
Aug 5, 2015 3:23pm
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Ytowngirlinfla;1744440 wrote:How are you 85% when the VA counts by 10's? There are no ratings that add up to 85%. Lying again Belly?
The VA rating is in 10% you're correct (I not a expert at the Rating of the VA Medical) but VA Math bilateral factor comes to almost 85% for me that is the true percentage the VA Math depending of other factors that percentage is rounded up or down... ???? To be honest I think that as of last year that 85% was rounded up for some reason...
Aug 5, 2015 4:36pm
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Ytowngirlinfla;1744440 wrote:How are you 85% when the VA counts by 10's? There are no ratings that add up to 85%. Lying again Belly?
I love the way you're trying to make me out to be a liar... You do know everything on the Internet is true.. Right :)


what va percentage are you rated?
Aug 5, 2015 5:19pm
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Belly35;1744459 wrote:I love the way you're trying to make me out to be a liar... You do know everything on the Internet is true.. Right :)


what va percentage are you rated?
100% and I've already stated this. You spew out bullshit like 85% you are gonna get called on this.
Aug 5, 2015 5:58pm
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Ytowngirlinfla;1744467 wrote:100% and I've already stated this. You spew out bullshit like 85% you are gonna get called on this.
so you're rated percentage is above the 95 bilateral factor VA Math so rounded up to 100%

you can call me out on something like this but you better understand how the process works in the VA.
Example rating disability score of 30% + 20 % would equal 50 % That what you think but depending on the injury bilateral factor VA Math that would for example equal 43.4 % or rounded down to 40% disability.
When I was first injured my percentage was 70% disability after year of not knowing I was being cheated. Because my rating score after adding all the injuries was really 75.6 % some where around there which should have been rounded up.
I recieved an adjustment in a check. Keep track of your bilateral factor score. Because you are 100% just keep track of any reduction that could low that 100%
Aug 5, 2015 9:29pm
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without government intervention unrestricted capitalism would not provide the economic support for millions of Americans to survive.
Aug 5, 2015 9:46pm
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Belly35;1744492 wrote:so you're rated percentage is above the 95 bilateral factor VA Math so rounded up to 100%

you can call me out on something like this but you better understand how the process works in the VA.
Example rating disability score of 30% + 20 % would equal 50 % That what you think but depending on the injury bilateral factor VA Math that would for example equal 43.4 % or rounded down to 40% disability.
When I was first injured my percentage was 70% disability after year of not knowing I was being cheated. Because my rating score after adding all the injuries was really 75.6 % some where around there which should have been rounded up.
I recieved an adjustment in a check. Keep track of your bilateral factor score. Because you are 100% just keep track of any reduction that could low that 100%
I've done multiple classes on VA disability ratings and math since I volunteer there. I'm at the Columbus VA at least 3 days a week. Only 1 of my injuries is reviewable. Everything else is considered permanent. At least that's what my paperwork says. But we all know how the VA is with shit.
Aug 5, 2015 9:59pm
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Good God, people. The thread isn't about Belly!
Aug 6, 2015 4:56am
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CenterBHSFan;1744520 wrote:Good God, people. The thread isn't about Belly!
I agree ... Just because I create a thread does mean you have to include me in your post.. CBHSF ....they no not what they do.

Hey! back to Topic.. Mofo
Aug 6, 2015 6:06am
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Ytowngirlinfla;1744499 wrote:I've done multiple classes on VA disability ratings and math since I volunteer there. I'm at the Columbus VA at least 3 days a week. Only 1 of my injuries is reviewable. Everything else is considered permanent. At least that's what my paperwork says. But we all know how the VA is with shit.
Yeah its fraud. Congrats on frauding the American taxpayer so you can sit at home and eat bon bons all day for your 'service'.

Tell me more about your phd. LOL
Aug 6, 2015 9:23am
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sleeper;1744559 wrote:Yeah its fraud. Congrats on frauding the American taxpayer so you can sit at home and eat bon bons all day for your 'service'.

Tell me more about your phd. LOL
Oh shit! This will go badly... Guys can we stay on topic... or do you want me to start a new Thread?? Is Sleeper an ass or Ytowngirlinfla lazy... ( i dont think Y like bon bons)
Aug 6, 2015 9:54am
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Belly35;1744570 wrote:Oh shit! This will go badly... Guys can we stay on topic... or do you want me to start a new Thread?? Is Sleeper an ass or Ytowngirlinfla lazy... ( i dont think Y like bon bons)
There's no need to deviate topics. The VA is handing out disability to anyone with a sprained ankle regardless of whether they actually participated in combat or sat in an office. The whole thing has become a massive joke that's politically untouchable because it will be skewed to hating on veterans. The VA benefits payout is ballooning to in the $100B+ a year range when it used to be a fraction of that. We need massive reform in the VA world to help those who actually need it.

So tell me more ytown about your injuries and why you can't work, but yet healthy enough to pursue a PHD?
Aug 6, 2015 9:59am
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sleeper;1744573 wrote:There's no need to deviate topics. The VA is handing out disability to anyone with a sprained ankle regardless of whether they actually participated in combat or sat in an office. The whole thing has become a massive joke that's politically untouchable because it will be skewed to hating on veterans. The VA benefits payout is ballooning to in the $100B+ a year range when it used to be a fraction of that. We need massive reform in the VA world to help those who actually need it.

So tell me more ytown about your injuries and why you can't work, but yet healthy enough to pursue a PHD?
Sleeper can you move your comment to the Thread: Is Sleeper an ass or Ytowngirlinfla lazy... ( i dont think Y like bon bons)


Thank you.. :)
Aug 6, 2015 10:05am
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sleeper;1744573 wrote:There's no need to deviate topics. The VA is handing out disability to anyone with a sprained ankle regardless of whether they actually participated in combat or sat in an office. The whole thing has become a massive joke that's politically untouchable because it will be skewed to hating on veterans. The VA benefits payout is ballooning to in the $100B+ a year range when it used to be a fraction of that. We need massive reform in the VA world to help those who actually need it.

So tell me more ytown about your injuries and why you can't work, but yet healthy enough to pursue a PHD?
Who says I can't work? Sleeper the know it all who thinks he knows how the system works lol. You are a fucking idiot.
Aug 6, 2015 10:07am
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Belly35;1744576 wrote:Sleeper can you move your comment to the Thread: Is Sleeper an ass or Ytowngirlinfla lazy... ( i dont think Y like bon bons)


Thank you.. :)
Lol I'm lazy because I get 100% disability for my injuries obtained while in service? Yeah that's why the VA hands out disability and what 100% means. But people like sleeper who knows it all knows everything about the VA system.
Aug 6, 2015 10:10am
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sleeper;1744573 wrote:There's no need to deviate topics. The VA is handing out disability to anyone with a sprained ankle regardless of whether they actually participated in combat or sat in an office. The whole thing has become a massive joke that's politically untouchable because it will be skewed to hating on veterans. The VA benefits payout is ballooning to in the $100B+ a year range when it used to be a fraction of that. We need massive reform in the VA world to help those who actually need it.

So tell me more ytown about your injuries and why you can't work, but yet healthy enough to pursue a PHD?


And then there's Social Security disability which has gone off the charts. And that is primarily due to the disastrous economy we continue to suffer through as the result of the current regime's assault on free market enterprise. obama and his regulatory nazis are killing this country.
Aug 6, 2015 10:26am
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Ytowngirlinfla;1744578 wrote:Lol I'm lazy because I get 100% disability for my injuries obtained while in service? Yeah that's why the VA hands out disability and what 100% means. But people like sleeper who knows it all knows everything about the VA system.
I've worked with the VA. Their finances are fraud and the VA knows it. They, however, do not care because a lot of them collect fat checks as well but they know the system is fraudulent and a majority of people collecting disability are frauds and trash.
Aug 6, 2015 10:48am
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sleeper;1744596 wrote:I've worked with the VA. Their finances are fraud and the VA knows it. They, however, do not care because a lot of them collect fat checks as well but they know the system is fraudulent and a majority of people collecting disability are frauds and trash.
You are completely wrong. I doubt you worked anywhere with the VA system. The only people that are fraud are the top VA employees who have been screwing vets over for years.
Aug 6, 2015 10:54am
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Ytowngirlinfla;1744600 wrote:You are completely wrong. I doubt you worked anywhere with the VA system. The only people that are fraud are the top VA employees who have been screwing vets over for years.
I'll take the opinion of someone who's worked with the VA top dogs and assisted them in financial management over someone who more than likely collects their undeserved disability compensation. It's fraud and everyone except the trash know it.
Aug 6, 2015 10:57am
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sleeper;1744601 wrote:I'll take the opinion of someone who's worked with the VA top dogs and assisted them in financial management over someone who more than likely collects their undeserved disability compensation. It's fraud and everyone except the trash know it.
Yeah keep lying to yourself.
Aug 6, 2015 10:59am