BoatShoes;1743846 wrote:Btw every other time you have told the story about how you grew up on welfare, etc. You said it was yoir mom who raised you as a single mother. In this version you are saying you were given away to another family member??

hold on this is complicated
the individual (A) who raised me was married at the time of my birth, the women (B) who is my biological mother is (A) younger sister of 8 girls. I was born on a kitchen counter by a country doctor when ask who is the mother giving birth .... The family agreed that in the best interest ( rational?...) that they would indicate that it is (A) and not (B).
wait A is married to a soldier who is on duty in France ....surprise your a dad of a son who you never conceived.
this is where it get good. Soldier coming home to his new family but (B) meets him in California has an affair, get pregnant. Nothing can ever be said about (me) to soldier guy FAMILY SECRET ( one week before he die I told him the truth )
soldier guy divorice (A) married (B). Single parent, given away at birth, life of poverty. Mom who raised me had health problems and many times I would go and live months with other relatives later I also found out that she would go to Florida help work with my aunts at a resort hotel

Ytowngirlinfla;1743850 wrote:Belly can't keep his stories straight. I'm almost wondering if he was actually in the military. I'm also wondering what projects Belly grew up in.

what a asshole... Mellet Projects southwest end canton...

isadore;1743636 wrote:that aid is there because of the failure of capitalism to provide the necessary goods and service to millions in our country.

Basically every thing you post is incorrect, but somehow this post is even more incorrect than the rest.


You may want to seek counseling................................ or an education.

QuakerOats;1743988 wrote:Basically every thing you post is incorrect, but somehow this post is even more incorrect than the rest.


You may want to seek counseling................................ or an education.

gosh a ruddies you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the ass.

soooooo sad

QuakerOats;1744016 wrote:soooooo sad

you are

https://www.fammtv.com/blogs/mothers-may-soon-end-up-in-jail-for-being-unemployed

Ut oh

rmolin73;1744088 wrote:https://www.fammtv.com/blogs/mothers-may-soon-end-up-in-jail-for-being-unemployed

Ut oh

Not a bad idea but first lets identify the fathers of those children and make the same ruling for child support. If that mother has multiple children with multiple fathers unmarried relationships... Time to fix the bitch.

Belly35;1744093 wrote:Not a bad idea but first lets identify the fathers of those children and make the same ruling for child support. If that mother has multiple children with multiple fathers unmarried relationships... Time to fix the bitch.

But muh freedom...muh constitutional rights not to be deprived of life, liberty and property without due process...sounds like oublic servant obama socialist.

But do we have to fund it?

majorspark;1743882 wrote:
I would add this kind of reform will not only be demagogued by the two parties it will not be popular with the current members of the welfare state.

I disagree. Most welfare state beneficiaries turn to the welfare state reluctantly due to being barred from the broader economy due to a lack of genuine work opportunities.

Freakonomics for example has discussed research that shows street level drug dealers earn less than the minimum wage but that is all they have in addition to figuring out how to take advantage of social insurance.

Just have to listen to Biggie to know how people stuck on welfare really feel about it.

And my whole crew is lounging
Celebrating everyday, no more public housing
Thinking back on ny one room shack
Now my mom pimps a ac with minks on her back...

...we used to fuss when the landlord dissed us
No heat, wonder why christmas missed us
Birthdays was the worst days
Now we sip champagne cus we thirsty

Humanity did not evolve billions of years to be inclined to idleness. Extend offers for viable employment that provides meaningful stability and security and the welfare state will whither away.

HitsRus;1744097 wrote:But do we have to fund it?

Hire the precariously employed and unemployed to work...hire the unemployed women to care for children of mothwrs who go to work, etc. etc. Give people jobs and they are earning a living and creating gdp just as much as any one else and they are funding their own livelihood.

HitsRus;1744097 wrote:But do we have to fund it?

As Rmolin's post so readily points out...all of these work requirements for assistance have proved meaningless as there is not enough work to go around in the private sector.

But in america we believe people ought to earn a living (unless of course you are a rich heir or the spouse of a rich person) but millions cannot by definition.

All the people Bill Clinton and Newt got off "welfare" just called Binder and Binder and got on social security disability when the work disappeared after the stock bubble. Same thing is happening now.

BoatShoes;1744096 wrote:But muh freedom...muh constitutional rights not to be deprived of life, liberty and property without due process...sounds like oublic servant obama socialist.

I'm sorry correction

fix the bitch and the dick

This is slavery of the entitlement system ....Government paying for food, rent, health, babies, untilities time to put some skin in the game to stop this downward slide.

BoatShoes;1744099 wrote:I disagree. Most welfare state beneficiaries turn to the welfare state reluctantly due to being barred from the broader economy due to a lack of genuine work opportunities.

Certainly there have been lack of work opportunities, especially under the current regime that is doing its best to assault the economy with its onslaught of adversarial regulations. However, the majority on welfare have not helped themselves to make themselves marketable. Dropping out of school, donning tattoos and piercings, and general laziness are not qualities that most employers seek when hiring. Most are unemployable, and that is not the fault of the taxpayers who are getting taken for a ride like never before.

BoatShoes;1744101 wrote:Hire the precariously employed and unemployed to work...hire the unemployed women to care for children of mothwrs who go to work, etc. etc. Give people jobs and they are earning a living and creating gdp just as much as any one else and they are funding their own livelihood.

This is actually the preferable solution but I think people would rather just sit at home and collect their checks rather than have to put in meaningful work.

Let start with the problem # 1: The process of collecting welfare … The corruption within many of the local government welfare operation is the first problem and the first solution. Until those departments’ records are cleaned up and the fraud, duplication is handles nothing can be corrected. The Managers and Department Heads that have lead to mismanagement of the welfare system are to be fired. Any past Welfare Officers that can be provide to be involved in corruption or mismanagement of the welfares system should lose their pension. Present employees working within the welfare system for longer that a 10 years needs to be moved from the jobs description. This rotation of personal will prevent additions fraud within the system.

Medical documentation of welfare individuals should be reviewed. Why would I say this? There needs to be verification of the legality if the prescribe condition of many welfare recipients.
The poor and those wanting to remain poor how to work the system, who, what and how to fraud the system is a well played game.

Once the welfare system is cleaned up there will be more funds for those in real need, more programs to help families and single parent to move out of poverty.

We need to proclaim that Welfare is running out of money and going insolvent (like we do with Social Security, even though SS is real money already paid in by employees and employers). So, pick a date like 2020 and say welfare funding will be half of what it is today, and then by 2025 welfare funding will be down to 20% of what it is today ----- sort of like obama's EPA saying they are forcing emissions to be reduced by 50% etc.... At that point, perhaps only the truly needy will get a necessary level of support, and 95% of the fraud, waste and abuse will be gone.

Defunding it, and other ridiculous programs and departments is the only path to real progress.

Just skimmed this thread? Is boatshoes really proposing that people work for their welfare? If so, this might be the first time I agree with him. Maine has implemented this, and apparently it has been a huge success.

like_that;1744224 wrote:Just skimmed this thread? Is boatshoes really proposing that people work for their welfare?

I think you maybe right. Those days working at Hungry Howdy on route 62 pay off, he got a real look at the real world and a good taste of the democrat voting base. Boatshoes welcome to the real world ... Where my order and give me my money for ordering ... Or I pop your ass...

Belly35;1744105 wrote:I'm sorry correction

fix the bitch and the dick

This is slavery of the entitlement system ....Government paying for food, rent, health, babies, untilities time to put some skin in the game to stop this downward slide.

What I am saying is let's grant your position. Instead of all this entitlement you complain about...hire the poor and unemployed and let them out skin in the game and earn money for rent, babies, utilities.

All of your complaining can stop and wewon't have to read your tirades anymore as everyone will be able to contribute and earn a livelihood.

like_that;1744224 wrote:Just skimmed this thread? Is boatshoes really proposing that people work for their welfare? If so, this might be the first time I agree with him. Maine has implemented this, and apparently it has been a huge success.

You haven't read much of what I have said over the years then. I believe in true full employment. I do not believe in "working for welfare." "welfare" should not and should never have existed.

I have always argued for an employer of last resort. Hire people to create value...even de minimus value..and eliminate all means tested welfare programs.

And don't call it work for welfare. Just make job offers to all the unemployed. If they don't desire to work so be it...they can find their own way but it will be truly voluntary unlike now where 24 million people at least are involuntarily unemployed.

Belly35;1744231 wrote:I think you maybe right. Those days working at Hungry Howdy on route 62 pay off, he got a real look at the real world and a good taste of the democrat voting base. Boatshoes welcome to the real world ... Where my order and give me my money for ordering ... Or I pop your ass...

I know omger work at hingry howies... I have invented an identity as a disabled and dyslexic veteran who is also a heroic entrepreneur who hates teh gubmint...this back story has ironically allowed me to live a decent existence thanks to Binder and Binder and other social workera helping me get enrolled to be a beneficiary of the mosern american socialist welfare state...I ger VA disability, social security disability, free gubmint healthcare at the VA, and all kinds of other socialist benefits laundered through the department of defense and the department of veterans affairs.

I then spend my free time complaining about socialism and entitlement while enjoying all the fruits of my socialism and entitlement.

like_that;1744224 wrote:Just skimmed this thread? Is boatshoes really proposing that people work for their welfare? If so, this might be the first time I agree with him. Maine has implemented this, and apparently it has been a huge success.

Oh yeah and Maine actually proves the opposite...maine imposed work requirements when there is not enough work...what happened is people stopped looking for work entirely and dropped out of the labor force entirely.

Maine's unemployment rate dropped for the same reason Obama's was...people completely checking out.

There was no actual increase in Maine's employment rate indeed if I recall it also has been falling.

Again, work requirements are meaningless when the problem is that 24 million people are involuntarily unemployed and there are 4-5 million job openings in the whole country.

The actual people on welfare are not even counted meaning rhe situation is epically worse.

Also...it was food stamps. Welfare (as in cash assistance ) was basically eliminated in 1996 and most people on food stamps work already.

QuakerOats;1744195 wrote:We need to proclaim that Welfare is running out of money and going insolvent (like we do with Social Security, even though SS is real money already paid in by employees and employers). So, pick a date like 2020 and say welfare funding will be half of what it is today, and then by 2025 welfare funding will be down to 20% of what it is today ----- sort of like obama's EPA saying they are forcing emissions to be reduced by 50% etc.... At that point, perhaps only the truly needy will get a necessary level of support, and 95% of the fraud, waste and abuse will be gone.

Defunding it, and other ridiculous programs and departments is the only path to real progress.

Social security nor the federal government can ver become insolvent unless it starts making promises in a currency it doea not have the singular constitutional authority to create.

You are stuck with making the moral case as to why the congress should not use its enumerated power to spend for the general welfare to indeed maximize the general welfare through maximum employment and production.