Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jul 10, 2015 10:43am
NOT MY PRESIDENT
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Jul 10, 2015 11:30am
HitsRus;1740150 wrote: Why would anybody care that GWB made money helping a charitable organization make even more? This is nothing new. People use their celebrity all the time to make money for themselves and for organizations, some charitable and some not. The real question is anyone even digging into this at all. Isadore is just a mirror image of what used to be trustworthy mainstream newssources.....spinning and promoting outrage over some things, and ignoring and glossing over others. Why the focus on GWB, when the Clinton's have amassed a personal fortune, collecting over $100 MILLION in speaking fees....Bill touring the world while his wife was Sec of State shaking down organizations for as much as $800K a speech!....and he did not give anything back...in fact, those organizations "donated" to PAC Clinton. But the American public is treated to the selective outrage by media actively attempting to manipulate us. Some news organizations are so bad, that they are nothing more than propaganda outlets for the government...resembling more the TASS news agency of the old Soviet Union than a news agency of a free republic. The press is supposed to be a watchdog, not a fox in the henhouse.
Yeah, you can walk away and shake your head at the stupidity of it, but that would be cooperating with it. It would be one thing if Isadore was just a crazy lone wolf howling at the moon in the wilderness, but you get on social media and you see people actually buying it.
Thank you.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Jul 10, 2015 11:30am
Belly35;1740163 wrote:NOT MY PRESIDENT
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jul 10, 2015 12:26pm
sleeper wrote: I absolutely care.
sleeper wrote:Perhaps he should have chosen another career if he was going to be a bitch about it. What did he expect? To sit on base eating bons bons for 6 years?
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Jul 10, 2015 12:31pm
Part of declaring yourself for the marines/army/etc. you might have to go fight. You might have to die. It's for your country. Choices you make affect how your life turns out. Bush taking money to speak has no reflection on that guy and his limbs. Just your hippie, liberal ***** mentality isadore. Grow up and go outside.isadore;1740182 wrote:
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jul 10, 2015 12:40pm
gosh a ruddies it is hardly a surprise that on the political forum any criticism of a Republicans would bring out a pack of baying hounds raving about Obama and the Clintons. This place is basically a circle jerk for tea party and business conservative Republicans. Speaking fees is subject that should certainly draw justifiable debate. Democrats and Republican Presidents have collected them. It is one reason why you have to go all the way back to Harry Truman to find a President who did not die a millionaire. GWB and this charity though is a very specific issue. It is not just what these guys should charge or even whether they should give charities a break. George Bush was Commander in Chief of the American Armed Forces. He ordered men and women into combat. Thousands of them were seriously injured. He owes them. He should not be making money off their suffering and needs.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jul 10, 2015 12:43pm
Bush sent that man into harm's way. He should not be making money off his suffering and need. A commander is responsible for his men and women.DeyDurkie5;1740185 wrote:Part of declaring yourself for the marines/army/etc. you might have to go fight. You might have to die. It's for your country. Choices you make affect how your life turns out. Bush taking money to speak has no reflection on that guy and his limbs. Just your hippie, liberal ***** mentality isadore. Grow up and go outside.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Jul 10, 2015 12:50pm
Bush fired the shots that hurt him? No he didn't. He chose to join, he got the unfortunate consequence.isadore;1740191 wrote:Bush sent that man into harm's way. He should not be making money off his suffering and need. A commander is responsible for his men and women.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jul 10, 2015 1:00pm
He put them there, He chose the war. He chose the strategy, He picked the leaders. He was their Commander. He has a responsibility. He should not make money offer their suffering and need.DeyDurkie5;1740200 wrote:Bush fired the shots that hurt him? No he didn't. He chose to join, he got the unfortunate consequence.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Jul 10, 2015 1:03pm
The men he sent also chose to join the service. They knew their responsibility. Quit being a liberal hippie and think logically.isadore;1740203 wrote:He put them there, He chose the war. He chose the strategy, He picked the leaders. He was there Commander. He has a responsibility. He should not make money offer their suffering and need.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 10, 2015 1:15pm
Their*isadore;1740203 wrote:He put them there, He chose the war. He chose the strategy, He picked the leaders. He was there Commander. He has a responsibility. He should not make money offer their suffering and need.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jul 10, 2015 1:17pm
no as their leader he has a responsibility toward them and should not take money that could help them.DeyDurkie5;1740205 wrote:The men he sent also chose to join the service. They knew their responsibility. Quit being a liberal hippie and think logically.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jul 10, 2015 1:20pm
It is fixed.SportsAndLady;1740213 wrote:Their*
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Jul 10, 2015 1:32pm
No, no he doesn't. He has made them millions. Accepting a fee to speak there is a contract that they accepted. Both parties agreed. Both parties got what they wanted.isadore;1740215 wrote:no as their leader he has a responsibility toward them and should not take money that could help them.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jul 10, 2015 1:41pm
No he took advantage of their need to profit at their expense. And the $100,000 charge was within the normal range of his speaking fees.DeyDurkie5;1740225 wrote:No, no he doesn't. He has made them millions. Accepting a fee to speak there is a contract that they accepted. Both parties agreed. Both parties got what they wanted.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 10, 2015 1:42pm
I'm sure when Obama leaves office he will charge no speaking fee to veterans.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jul 10, 2015 1:49pm
gosh a ruddies, it cost
$20,000 for the flight to the Houston speech.
George Bush lives in Dallas- 225 miles from Houston. gosh a ruddies that is a little over 3 hours by car. He could of got there on the cost of a tank full of gas.
$20,000 for the flight to the Houston speech.
George Bush lives in Dallas- 225 miles from Houston. gosh a ruddies that is a little over 3 hours by car. He could of got there on the cost of a tank full of gas.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 10, 2015 2:00pm
Maybe Obama should have drove him there for free. It seems like you are only capable of criticizing Bush but never hold Obama accountable for his lack of inaction.isadore;1740231 wrote:gosh a ruddies, it cost
$20,000 for the flight to the Houston speech.
George Bush lives in Dallas- 225 miles from Houston. gosh a ruddies that is a little over 3 hours by car. He could of got there on the cost of a tank full of gas.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jul 10, 2015 2:07pm
gosh a ruddies on this forum criticism of a Republican is rare and compliments for our First African American President non-existent. But we do havesleeper;1740236 wrote:Maybe Obama should have drove him there for free. It seems like you are only capable of criticizing' Bush but never hold Obama accountable for his lack of inaction.
you. a funny guy, completely challenged by the English language. Should we hold Obama responsible for "his lack of inaction?"
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 10, 2015 2:26pm
I don't think anyone on here likes Bush but he's not the current President and has zero power. I'm not interested as to why you don't hold Obama, the actual President in power, accountable for not donating his entire net worth to veterans. Why should Obama be allowed to eat when veterans are out there suffering?isadore;1740238 wrote:gosh a ruddies on this forum criticism of a Republican is rare and compliments for our First African American President non-existent. But we do have
you. a funny guy, completely challenged by the English language. Should we hold Obama responsible for "his lack of inaction?"
Would you sign a petition requesting Obama to donate $10M of his money to help veterans? Why not donate some yourself since you seem so interested in helping them?
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jul 10, 2015 2:36pm
gosh a ruddies you are being so very disingenuous. When I mentioned Bush the political forum regulars rose in mass to his defense, including yourself. And then to claim any Bush has no power is ridiculous. They have 2 Presidents and the number one in Republican Presidential poll.sleeper;1740242 wrote:I don't think anyone on here likes Bush but he's not the current President and has zero power. I'm not interested as to why you don't hold Obama, the actual President in power, accountable for not donating his entire net worth to veterans. Why should Obama be allowed to eat when veterans are out there suffering?
Would you sign a petition requesting Obama to donate $10M of his money to help veterans? Why not donate some yourself since you seem so interested in helping them?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 10, 2015 3:27pm
I would just like Obama to show that he appreciates veterans by donating his entire net worth to help them. Since he has not done so, I wonder why Obama does not care about soldiers and why you only hold Bush accountable and not Obama?isadore;1740244 wrote:gosh a ruddies you are being so very disingenuous. When I mentioned Bush the political forum regulars rose in mass to his defense, including yourself. And then to claim any Bush has no power is ridiculous. They have 2 Presidents and the number one in Republican Presidential poll.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jul 10, 2015 3:47pm
Bottom line... He helped them make $2 million.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jul 10, 2015 4:09pm
gosh a ruddies the subject of this discussion was an example of Bush betraying the service people he sent into combat, why not discuss the subject of the thread and then begin a thread to discuss your topic.sleeper;1740255 wrote:I would just like Obama to show that he appreciates veterans by donating his entire net worth to help them. Since he has not done so, I wonder why Obama does not care about soldiers and why you only hold Bush accountable and not Obama?
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jul 10, 2015 4:14pm
of course you think only terms of dollars and cents instead of the sacrifice these service people made and his duty toward them. Well in terms of dollars and cents he could have given the speech for free and that would have left another $120,000 for these service people. He was the commander, it is the least he could have done for those seriously injured and handicapped from carrying out his commands.HitsRus;1740259 wrote:Bottom line... He helped them make $2 million.