ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Jan 26, 2016 11:35am
Commander of Awesome;1778228 wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Catch_%28American_football%29
ppl have built careers on clutch catches/shots
no.. you just proved my point lol
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 26, 2016 11:37am
No, I proved mine. the only reason he got another yr, and ppl know who he is is because of that 1 play. You were saying a clutch performance doesn't matter, which brought teh lulz because it absolutely does.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778235 wrote:no.. you just proved my point lol
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 26, 2016 11:37am
Before Love is clutch, I would just like him to hit the easy shots where he is wide open. If he does that then the Cavs are in business.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 26, 2016 11:40am
You asked me what I would like him to do. I answered with make a shot in a meaningful game in clutch time.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778234 wrote:ok.. so like I asked earlier.. who would you like to replace him?
Not sure why you now want me to play GM.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Jan 26, 2016 11:45am
I never said he wasn't good. It just seems people have already anointed him a future All-NBA player.DeyDurkie5;1778184 wrote:But If Wiggins went to UK, you'd be on his dick.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 26, 2016 11:55am
You just said he's on pace to be a slightly worse Carmelo Anthony, who's been an all NBA player 6 times. Then you have criticisms of people anointing him a future all-NBA player.Azubuike24;1778242 wrote:I never said he wasn't good. It just seems people have already anointed him a future All-NBA player.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Jan 26, 2016 12:11pm
He'll win about as much as Carmelo. He won't ever reach the numbers Melo did in his best years. He's better than Paul George's 24/7/4.
SportsAndLady
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Jan 26, 2016 12:24pm
Has nothing to do with winning, has everything to do with you comparing him to an all NBA player and then saying you don't understand the all NBA hype lolAzubuike24;1778246 wrote:He'll win about as much as Carmelo. He won't ever reach the numbers Melo did in his best years. He's better than Paul George's 24/7/4.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jan 26, 2016 12:27pm
Nice spin!Azubuike24;1778246 wrote:He'll win about as much as Carmelo. He won't ever reach the numbers Melo did in his best years. He's better than Paul George's 24/7/4.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Jan 26, 2016 12:33pm
It absolutely doesn't lol. I didn't realize "building a career" and "getting another year" were equal. Whether Kevin loves hits clutch shots or not doesn't determine whether hes a top talent in the NBA. to say otherwise is ridiculous.Commander of Awesome;1778236 wrote:No, I proved mine. the only reason he got another yr, and ppl know who he is is because of that 1 play. You were saying a clutch performance doesn't matter, which brought teh lulz because it absolutely does.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Jan 26, 2016 12:35pm
And I'm telling you that in itself is meaningless. He's still a top talent in the league. He's still doing fine for what hes asked to do. And he's still the best available to fill that position.SportsAndLady;1778240 wrote:You asked me what I would like him to do. I answered with make a shot in a meaningful game in clutch time.
Not sure why you now want me to play GM.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 26, 2016 12:36pm
You're missing my point. You said Clutch factor didn't matter, I proved that it did.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778253 wrote:It absolutely doesn't lol. I didn't realize "building a career" and "getting another year" were equal. Whether Kevin loves hits clutch shots or not doesn't determine whether hes a top talent in the NBA. to say otherwise is ridiculous.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Jan 26, 2016 12:41pm
Commander of Awesome;1778255 wrote:You're missing my point. You said Clutch factor didn't matter, I proved that it did.
I said clutch factor doesn't matter, its what all the bring to the table. Which is true. Do you think GM's go .. Nah that guy doesn't hit too many game winners... I don't want him. Or do you think GM's go.. That guy is a double double machine, let's get him.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 26, 2016 1:00pm
GM's say both. Along with a hundred other things. It's not just so black and white zwick. There's a hundred different things GM's talk about when deciding their opinion on a player. Both of what you said go into a player eval.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778257 wrote:I said clutch factor doesn't matter, its what all the bring to the table. Which is true. Do you think GM's go .. Nah that guy doesn't hit too many game winners... I don't want him. Or do you think GM's go.. That guy is a double double machine, let's get him.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 26, 2016 1:02pm
There's probably not a more criticized player this year than Kevin Love, but yeah he's doing just fine!ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778254 wrote:And I'm telling you that in itself is meaningless. He's still a top talent in the league. He's still doing fine for what hes asked to do. And he's still the best available to fill that position.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Jan 26, 2016 1:06pm
Yup he is. And there wasn't a more criticized player on the heat than Bosh, but, Guess what, he was fine too!SportsAndLady;1778263 wrote:There's probably not a more criticized player this year than Kevin Love, but yeah he's doing just fine!
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 26, 2016 1:08pm
Time will tell if he can be what Bosh was in Miami.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778264 wrote:Yup he is. And there wasn't a more criticized player on the heat than Bosh, but, Guess what, he was fine too!
I hope he can. But I don't see it.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 26, 2016 1:23pm
There's no chance Love ever "turns it around".
Hopefully he is traded by the end of the year. We all know Lebron asked Griffin to move him and Blatt wanted Love gone too.
Hopefully he is traded by the end of the year. We all know Lebron asked Griffin to move him and Blatt wanted Love gone too.
B
BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jan 26, 2016 1:48pm
And Lebron was the one who wanted Love here, hence all of the Wiggins lovers with their bitching.sleeper;1778269 wrote:There's no chance Love ever "turns it around".
Hopefully he is traded by the end of the year. We all know Lebron asked Griffin to move him and Blatt wanted Love gone too.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 26, 2016 1:55pm
LOL at clutch not being a factor. Robert Horry made a career and prolonged his career out of being clutch. Look at his numbers career numbers, they are average at best and some say he should be a HOFer.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Jan 26, 2016 2:25pm
Yeah except Horry was what he was.. a great role player. Which is why he had a long career. Or are you suggesting only stars have long careers in the NBA?like_that;1778275 wrote:LOL at clutch not being a factor. Robert Horry made a career and prolonged his career out of being clutch. Look at his numbers career numbers, they are average at best and some say he should be a HOFer.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 26, 2016 2:27pm
Jesus you spin shit left and right.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778284 wrote:Yeah except Horry was what he was.. a great role player. Which is why he had a long career. Or are you suggesting only stars have long careers in the NBA?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 26, 2016 2:33pm
What made him a great role player? Clutch shots. His numbers at the end of his career were shit, but teams knew that he had a winning DNA so they took a flier on him. Also explain why some say he should be inducted into the HOF? Are all "great role players" entered into the HOF discussion? Anyone who was old enough (not classy) to watch the NBA from the early 90's through the mid 2000's will always remember Horry. Not many people are going to remember the other "great role players."ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778284 wrote:Yeah except Horry was what he was.. a great role player. Which is why he had a long career. Or are you suggesting only stars have long careers in the NBA?
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Jan 26, 2016 2:35pm
pointing out your fallacies doesn't equate spinning.SportsAndLady;1778286 wrote:Jesus you spin shit left and right.
Clifford Robinson, Kevin Willis, Charles Oakley, Derek fisher, how long do you want to go.. All had long careers. All were great role players.. all must have been clutch !!!!!
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 26, 2016 2:37pm
Fisher hit the shot heard round the world zwick, just stop man.