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Jan 24, 2016 4:29 PM
HighRoller74;1777886 wrote:Yeah, he's just average now. All the stats and advance metrics point that out

But, keep going by the "eye" test, that you guys consistently bash Classy for.
How dare you compare me to classy lol

If I were classy I'd say Wiggins was a third arm away from being a better defender.

I really don't think Wiggins is trying in Minnesota. There's just no way you can go from being an elite defender at college to an awful defender in the pros a year later. He's probably pissed he got traded from a top team to the lowly wolves.

Despite what the stats say, I'm still taking him over Love on THIS cavs team. Easily.
Jan 24, 2016 4:29pm
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Jan 24, 2016 4:33 PM
SportsAndLady;1777880 wrote:And stop pointing to Love's stats. He puts up good numbers against bad teams. What are his stats against great teams? We need Love to be a top option against the GSW and Spurs of the league, and he doesn't show up. We gave him a max contract to be a no show in big games and be a spot up shooter. Not to mention he plays ZERO defense.
As, I mentioned aboved, can't fault the guy for not putting up big numbers, when he's barely getting the ball against good teams.

Against the Clippers, Love showed what can happen if he gets consistent touches, but I'm sure you'll disregard that game.

On Christmas, agsint GS, he went for 10pts on 18rebs.

Against Miami to start the season 24, and 14.

Against the Spurs, 10pts, 14 Rebs.

What more do you want from him, 20/20 every game against good teams? He's done that before, when he was the focal point of an offense, have him get more touches, and I'm positive his numbers increase.

And please stop with the defense, the advanced metrics prove that as being false.
Jan 24, 2016 4:33pm
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Jan 24, 2016 4:35 PM
SportsAndLady;1777892 wrote:How dare you compare me to classy lol

If I were classy I'd say Wiggins was a third arm away from being a better defender.

I really don't think Wiggins is trying in Minnesota. There's just no way you can go from being an elite defender at college to an awful defender in the pros a year later. He's probably pissed he got traded from a top team to the lowly wolves.

Despite what the stats say, I'm still taking him over Love on THIS cavs team. Easily.
If he's not trying....that would be a red flag for me
Jan 24, 2016 4:35pm
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Jan 24, 2016 4:37 PM
SportsAndLady;1777892 wrote:How dare you compare me to classy lol

If I were classy I'd say Wiggins was a third arm away from being a better defender.

I really don't think Wiggins is trying in Minnesota. There's just no way you can go from being an elite defender at college to an awful defender in the pros a year later. He's probably pissed he got traded from a top team to the lowly wolves.

Despite what the stats say, I'm still taking him over Love on THIS cavs team. Easily.
LOL'd at the bold.

If thats true about Wiggins, it says more about him than anything on the court could ever show. It shows me, he doesn't have what it takes to be anything more than Average.

But, if the stats can't persuade you, we really are just going in circles lol
Jan 24, 2016 4:37pm
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Jan 24, 2016 4:47 PM
Ironman92;1777897 wrote:If he's not trying....that would be a red flag for me
HighRoller74;1777898 wrote:LOL'd at the bold.

If thats true about Wiggins, it says more about him than anything on the court could ever show. It shows me, he doesn't have what it takes to be anything more than Average.

But, if the stats can't persuade you, we really are just going in circles lol
Agree that's a red flag. Not saying it isn't. But it wouldn't be a problem if we wouldn't have traded him.

Players don't try on bad teams in every sport every year. This isn't the first time that's ever happened. Just because the stats can show something doesn't mean it couldn't be different in a different setting (i.e. Being on a good team).
Jan 24, 2016 4:47pm
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Jan 24, 2016 4:53 PM
Wiggins isn't happening. I'm being patient with Lue using Love better.

You keep alluding to Love being trash against the better teams....seems like Kyrie is in that boat to me.

And for the first season in I don't know how long (7-8 years), Lebron doesn't look like the best player in the game.

Still a lot of time left....I still see a good chance of winning it all.
Jan 24, 2016 4:53pm
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Jan 24, 2016 4:56 PM
Give it 2 weeks. I think if in 2 weeks they aren't playing well, a major shakeup will happen.
Jan 24, 2016 4:56pm
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Jan 24, 2016 4:59 PM
can we quit talking about Wiggins. Without the Wiggins trade, the cavs don't have mozgov, shump, and JR trades last year. So we should probably just stop talking about that.
Jan 24, 2016 4:59pm
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Jan 24, 2016 5:14 PM
Ironman92;1777907 wrote:Wiggins isn't happening.
No shit Sherlock
Jan 24, 2016 5:14pm
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Jan 24, 2016 5:48 PM
SportsAndLady;1777915 wrote:No shit Sherlock
But let's keep talking about it. No one knows your stance on Wiggins/Love
Jan 24, 2016 5:48pm
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Jan 24, 2016 5:59 PM
Ironman92;1777930 wrote:But let's keep talking about it. No one knows your stance on Wiggins/Love
Great post. Solid contribution. 10/10 would read again!
Jan 24, 2016 5:59pm
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Jan 24, 2016 6:47 PM
SportsAndLady;1777938 wrote:Great post. Solid contribution. 10/10 would read again!
Hello pot.
Jan 24, 2016 6:47pm
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Jan 24, 2016 7:41 PM
I am firmly in the camp that trading Wiggins for Love was a good decision. Having seen the last year and a half play out for both of them, I still think the Cavs are a better team than they would have been if he was here.
Jan 24, 2016 7:41pm
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Jan 24, 2016 7:49 PM
Ironman92;1777991 wrote:Hello pot.
Hang on. I'm discussing the cavaliers on the cavaliers thread, and you're giving me shit for it. And then call me a hypocrite when I say good contribution? Lol
Jan 24, 2016 7:49pm
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Jan 24, 2016 8:25 PM
SportsAndLady;1778000 wrote:Hang on. I'm discussing the cavaliers on the cavaliers thread, and you're giving me shit for it. And then call me a hypocrite when I say good contribution? Lol
After your contribution of "No shit Sherlock"

"Wiggins isn't happening" is giving you shit?

Moving on regardless of whatever you post.
Jan 24, 2016 8:25pm
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Jan 24, 2016 8:46 PM
The reality is Kevin Love is the second highest paid player on the team and he's not even a top 5 option on the team.

Anyone who thinks Love is a good player anywhere near the value of his max deal is delusional. I think the Cavs trade him and hopefully the taker of Love is stupid enough to give up an actual top player in return. He will be traded if the Cavs don't start playing better; everyone knows he's the problem, not the coach.
Jan 24, 2016 8:46pm
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Jan 24, 2016 8:53 PM
sleeper;1778009 wrote:The reality is Kevin Love is the second highest paid player on the team and he's not even a top 5 option on the team.

Anyone who thinks Love is a good player anywhere near the value of his max deal is delusional. I think the Cavs trade him and hopefully the taker of Love is stupid enough to give up an actual top player in return. He will be traded if the Cavs don't start playing better; everyone knows he's the problem, not the coach.
What's happened in 3 years?

http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1337352
Jan 24, 2016 8:53pm
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Jan 24, 2016 8:56 PM
Ironman92;1778011 wrote:What's happened in 3 years?

http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1337352
I'm beginning to think He doesn't watch much sports, he's in it for the Hot Taeks
Jan 24, 2016 8:56pm
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Jan 24, 2016 9:07 PM
Ironman92;1778011 wrote:What's happened in 3 years?

http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1337352
Reality happened. Kevin Love hasn't done SHIT in Cleveland. Needs to be traded if the Cavs want to win a title. Griffin knows too and is already looking to move him.
Jan 24, 2016 9:07pm
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Jan 24, 2016 10:00 PM
sleeper;1778016 wrote:Reality happened. Kevin Love hasn't done SHIT in Cleveland. Needs to be traded if the Cavs want to win a title. Griffin knows too and is already looking to move him.
I'll take Greg Monroe for Love and AV.
Jan 24, 2016 10:00pm
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Jan 24, 2016 10:09 PM
SportsAndLady;1778027 wrote:I'll take Greg Monroe for Love and AV.
So you bitch about Love's defense and want to trade him for someone who is arguably even worse on D? LOL
Jan 24, 2016 10:09pm
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Jan 24, 2016 11:03 PM
Are you surprised?
Jan 24, 2016 11:03pm
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Jan 24, 2016 11:05 PM
Lol the Love apologists get so butthurt when people bring up Love. Time to open your eyes and at the very least take off the blinders.
Jan 24, 2016 11:05pm
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Jan 25, 2016 12:53 AM
Love has to be better, against the good teams. Reality is, it's very unlikely he is going anywhere and they just need to use him better. So we might as well hop along for the ride.
Jan 25, 2016 12:53am
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Jan 25, 2016 4:58 AM
SportsAndLady;1778041 wrote: at the very least take off the blinders.
Says the guy who recommends trading a player who is a defensive liability for another player who is a defensive liability.
Jan 25, 2016 4:58am