That really isn't a good excuse. Love needs to play better and contribute more. He's one of the "Big 3" and should be able to produce more on the court without the other 2.Mulva;1767598 wrote:Lebron isn't playing. Big loss had to be expected.
EVERY game counts in the NFL & MLB. Not the case in the NBA.Ironman92;1767778 wrote:So different than the stars of football and even baseball and their insane 162 game season. Baseball and football teams fight hard for the playoff berth...NBA is a different animal in that aspect and makes it difficult for me to enjoy much of the time. Over 1/2 of the teams making it could be the reason it happens.
A ton of games and a lot to ask of the body but it didn't SEEM to used to be that way.
Yeah...good call, it really doesn'tBR1986FB;1767817 wrote:EVERY game counts in the NFL & MLB. Not the case in the NBA.
Any team would struggle without 2 of it's top 3 players, especially when one of them is the best player in the world. The starters from last night might lose 50 games if that was the every-night lineup. Love obviously needs to play better than he did last night, but the result wasn't a surprise.sleeper;1767809 wrote:That really isn't a good excuse. Love needs to play better and contribute more. He's one of the "Big 3" and should be able to produce more on the court without the other 2.
Confirms why we should have kept Wiggins. Love is overrated.
Not when all 3 of your top players are top 15 players in the league; most teams don't have a top 15 player much less 3. Miami sure as shit doesn't'.Mulva;1767876 wrote:Any team would struggle without 2 of it's top 3 players, especially when one of them is the best player in the world. The starters from last night might lose 50 games if that was the every-night lineup. Love obviously needs to play better than he did last night, but the result wasn't a surprise.
If 18 & 11 is "slightly above replacement level", send the Cavs as many of those guys you can find for the bench.sleeper;1767924 wrote: Love is playing slightly above replacement level and that's bad news for a player with $100M+ invested.
What's his stats when Lebron is out? What's his stats when Irving is out?BR1986FB;1768057 wrote:If 18 & 11 is "slightly above replacement level", send the Cavs as many of those guys you can find for the bench.
Depending on who you ask these days, that's debatable. The homer in me wants to think he's still the best but he may have passed that torch to that little weasel Curry.Mulva;1767876 wrote:especially when one of them is the best player in the world.
I'm not anti-Love either. He's not playing anywhere near the level of $100M+ player; not sure why that is debatable. Did anyone watch the Miami game? Love was the only "star" out there and was complete dog shit. Does anyone think the Cavs lose that bad with just Lebron or Irving out there? No chance.SportsAndLady;1768061 wrote:I'm not anti-Love like sleeper is, but I do agree id much rather have Wiggins than Love.
Pretty much nobody in the NBA could carry a team when the other 4 starters are Delly, Jefferson, JR Smith, and Mozgov. LeBron is just about the only one who can. Look at Kyrie in the pre-Lebron years. He didn't carry shit. Look at Westbrook when he didn't have Durant last year, 27-28 record despite going for trip dubs every other night. Look at NOLA right now. Anthony Davis has them at 5-15.sleeper;1768059 wrote:What's his stats when Lebron is out? What's his stats when Irving is out?
Love can't carry a team anywhere. You can't run the offense through him and he can't create on his own. We are paying him like a #1 option when he is at best a #3 player and that's not smart. I'd rather have Wiggins.
I'm curious as to why?SportsAndLady;1768061 wrote:I'm not anti-Love like sleeper is, but I do agree id much rather have Wiggins than Love.
AgreedMulva;1768142 wrote:Pretty much nobody in the NBA could carry a team when the other 4 starters are Delly, Jefferson, JR Smith, and Mozgov. LeBron is just about the only one who can. Look at Kyrie in the pre-Lebron years. He didn't carry shit. Look at Westbrook when he didn't have Durant last year, 27-28 record despite going for trip dubs every other night. Look at NOLA right now. Anthony Davis has them at 5-15.
Why? Is it simply financial?sleeper;1768059 wrote:What's his stats when Lebron is out? What's his stats when Irving is out?
Love can't carry a team anywhere. You can't run the offense through him and he can't create on his own. We are paying him like a #1 option when he is at best a #3 player and that's not smart. I'd rather have Wiggins.
1) I don't think the Big 3 have gelled as much as we thought they would.HighRoller74;1768158 wrote:I'm curious as to why?
I don't watch a lot of wolves games although I did have them as one of my five teams last year I got every game. He is not very good at help defense..like at all. If it's just him and an offensive player one on one he can lock them. He was that way at Kansas when I watched every game of his. And I just find it hard to believe someone that athletic is that bad on defense.Mulva;1768171 wrote:I don't watch the Wolves enough to know, but advanced stats hated Wiggins D last year and hate it even more this year. Right now he's 413th out of 419 NBA players in defensive real plus-minus so far this season.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/11/sort/DRPM
SportsAndLady;1768170 wrote:1) I don't think the Big 3 have gelled as much as we thought they would.
2) Wiggins plays lock-down defense.
3) Wiggins got better offensively as the year went on in his rookie season. He just looks the part of a superstar.
4) I liked the idea of Lebron coming out of his prime and "handing the team" over to Wiggins, coming into his prime.
This.like_that;1768175 wrote:I thought they were for the last 1/4 of the season last year and the first 3.25 games of the boston series until Love got hurt.
True, they were.like_that;1768175 wrote:I thought they were for the last 1/4 of the season last year and the first 3.25 games of the boston series until Love got hurt.
Lock downMulva;1768171 wrote:I don't watch the Wolves enough to know, but advanced stats hated Wiggins D last year and hate it even more this year. Right now he's 413th out of 419 NBA players in defensive real plus-minus so far this season.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/11/sort/DRPM
Agreed. The Heat struggled their first year as well.like_that;1768175 wrote:I thought they were for the last 1/4 of the season last year and the first 3.25 games of the boston series until Love got hurt.
You can bucket AD in the overrated category too. Kyrie in the pre-Lebron years spent a lot of time recovering from injuries and they had no second option. Kyrie is 10x the player Love is.Mulva;1768142 wrote:Pretty much nobody in the NBA could carry a team when the other 4 starters are Delly, Jefferson, JR Smith, and Mozgov. LeBron is just about the only one who can. Look at Kyrie in the pre-Lebron years. He didn't carry shit. Look at Westbrook when he didn't have Durant last year, 27-28 record despite going for trip dubs every other night. Look at NOLA right now. Anthony Davis has them at 5-15.