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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Apr 21, 2015 4:28pm
It would appear that we are when it comes to following the law.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1723066 wrote:I don't know about that. I think we're 5 times as likely to imprison people as other 1st world countries. Are you saying Americans are that much worse of people?
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Apr 21, 2015 4:54pm
Sure. Which all factors into our judicial system.jmog;1723076 wrote:Those numbers are skewed because we jail for minor drug possessions while most other 1st world countries do not.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Apr 21, 2015 5:44pm
I'm wondering how China and Poland are comparable in size and demographics to the u.s?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 21, 2015 6:37pm
I guess I am behind on this, but I actually never seen/heard the term SJW until this thread. It brings the lulz and is perfect descriptor. Thanks sleeper. I am not going through the hyperbolic chamber like sleeper, but he does bring up great points. As I have said before, if a kid grows up with parents who emphasize education/discipline, he/she will most likely turn out alright.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Apr 21, 2015 8:36pm
no because white people enslaved then segregated them.sleeper;1723040 wrote:Because its the narrative; I didn't even bother reading the article.
Remember, minorites are poor because of white people and white people shoot blacks for no reason.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Apr 21, 2015 8:42pm
I usually give boat shoes crap but he is bringing the awesome in this thread.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 21, 2015 11:48pm
And black people actively participated and profited off of it. Your point?isadore;1723122 wrote:no because white people enslaved then segregated them.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Apr 22, 2015 12:29am
You don't think private counsels have the same issues. Everyone knows everyone and works together at one point or another. Defense attorneys went to the same schools as government prosecutors, even worked at the same firms before or after going to the public sector. And don't forget to add judges into that mix.BoatShoes;1722938 wrote:They were thinking "I am a prosecutor and I have an inherent conflict of interest when bringing charges against the cops because my career depends on their cooperation and trust."
JMHO but states need to consider bringing back private prosecution associations of the old common law when it comes to prosecuting alleged criminal conduct on the part of government officials, etc. (or something along those lines). I have friends who are cops and friends who are prosecutors but the fact is they have inherent conflicts of interest (IMHO).
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Apr 22, 2015 7:54am
black people in America did not.sleeper;1723179 wrote:And black people actively participated and profited off of it. Your point?
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Apr 22, 2015 8:28am
That should be exposed for the racist statement that it is......black people that succeed are "tokens"...or 'uncle Toms'...you can't take them seriously or use them as examples because they don't follow the victimization path approved by the liberal plantation owners.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1723026 wrote:Yeah the opportunities are out there for a few tokens. And a few tokens gladly accept it. And in your mind we're really doing some good lol.
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Apr 22, 2015 8:53am
THey aren't very similar. They were two countries I picked out randomly for the example of first world nations that have legal systems that are lesser in throroughness that the one here. The US legal system does an excellent job if you consider the complexity and size of our nation. It gets it right most of the time. For a "system" consisting of human beings, that is fair. Pointing out a non-representative example and then saying "only in America" suggests that we are awash with legal injustices the rest of the world is somehow able to overcome. That is patently false.Mulva;1723083 wrote:I'm wondering how China and Poland are comparable in size and demographics to the u.s?
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Apr 22, 2015 9:43am
Getting it right "most of the time" is hardly a ringing endorsement when discussing the nation with the highest prison population and incarceration rate on earth.
Even if 1% of guilty verdicts are wrong, which is probably a significant underestimate, that results in 22,000+ wrongfully convicted people currently incarcerated (based on prisonstudies.org prisoner population ).
That's no good for society or the economy.
Even if 1% of guilty verdicts are wrong, which is probably a significant underestimate, that results in 22,000+ wrongfully convicted people currently incarcerated (based on prisonstudies.org prisoner population ).
That's no good for society or the economy.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 22, 2015 10:11am
The black people that made it simply lost the war they were fighting. They WOULD have profited off of it provided they were better fighters.isadore;1723197 wrote:black people in America did not.
The reality is, no white person living in America today has ever or will ever own slaves. Time to grow up.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 22, 2015 10:19am
Well I think you missed the point entirely. A human run system is never perfect and never will be perfect. The system of "innocent until proven guilty" and that a guilty verdict has to be "beyond a reasonable doubt" is pretty damn good.Mulva;1723223 wrote:Getting it right "most of the time" is hardly a ringing endorsement when discussing the nation with the highest prison population and incarceration rate on earth.
Even if 1% of guilty verdicts are wrong, which is probably a significant underestimate, that results in 22,000+ wrongfully convicted people currently incarcerated (based on prisonstudies.org prisoner population ).
That's no good for society or the economy.
However, liberal logic is guilty until proven innocent and trial by public opinion, especially if someone is white.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 22, 2015 10:44am
FIFYsleeper;1723235 wrote:Well I think you missed the point entirely. A human run system is never perfect and never will be perfect. The system of "innocent until proven guilty" and that a guilty verdict has to be "beyond a reasonable doubt" is pretty damn good.
However, liberal logic is guilty until proven innocent (unless it goes against our agenda) and trial by public opinion, especially if someone is white.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Apr 22, 2015 12:46pm
Gosh a ruddiessleeper;1723231 wrote:The black people that made it simply lost the war they were fighting. They WOULD have profited off of it provided they were better fighters.
The reality is, no white person living in America today has ever or will ever own slaves. Time to grow up.
that 13th Amendment has been interfering with your freedom to own a slave, a big enough Republican majority and you might get it repealed,
The reality is there are white persons living in America today who have enforced de jure segregation, who have practiced de facto segregation and who have lynched African Americans.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Apr 22, 2015 12:59pm
There's the isadore we all have come to know...going full retard.isadore;1723297 wrote:Gosh a ruddies
that 13th Amendment has been interfering with your freedom to own a slave, a big enough Republican majority and you might get it repealed,
The reality is there are white persons living in America today who have enforced de jure segregation, who have practiced de facto segregation and who have lynched African Americans.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 22, 2015 1:11pm
Gosh a ruddies indeed. Poor black people.isadore;1723297 wrote:Gosh a ruddies
that 13th Amendment has been interfering with your freedom to own a slave, a big enough Republican majority and you might get it repealed,
The reality is there are white persons living in America today who have enforced de jure segregation, who have practiced de facto segregation and who have lynched African Americans.
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Apr 22, 2015 2:49pm
And there are black people living in America today who have enforced de jure segregation by attacking and killing white people who happened to walk into the wrong neighborhood. What's your point?isadore;1723297 wrote:Gosh a ruddies
that 13th Amendment has been interfering with your freedom to own a slave, a big enough Republican majority and you might get it repealed,
The reality is there are white persons living in America today who have enforced de jure segregation, who have practiced de facto segregation and who have lynched African Americans.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Apr 22, 2015 2:57pm
gosh a ruddies the boundaries between those neighborhoods were established by laws passed by white majority governments. and during de jure segregation it was infinitely more dangerous for a black to being any where or doing anything outside the legally and socially restricted limits than it was for a white person.Dr Winston O'Boogie;1723344 wrote:And there are black people living in America today who have enforced de jure segregation by attacking and killing white people who happened to walk into the wrong neighborhood. What's your point?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 22, 2015 3:17pm
I'd love to see the law that says black people have to live in the ghetto.isadore;1723346 wrote:gosh a ruddies the boundaries between those neighborhoods were established by laws passed by white majority governments. and during de jure segregation it was infinitely more dangerous for a black to being any where or doing anything outside the legally and socially restricted limits than it was for a white person.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Apr 22, 2015 3:18pm
Liarisadore;1723346 wrote:gosh a ruddies the boundaries between those neighborhoods were established by laws passed by white majority governments. and during de jure segregation it was infinitely more dangerous for a black to being any where or doing anything outside the legally and socially restricted limits than it was for a white person.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Apr 22, 2015 3:23pm
gosh a ruddies do you live in America and know its history?superman;1723351 wrote:Liar
ZWICK 4 PREZ
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Apr 22, 2015 3:29pm
It's called the exception rather than the rule.HitsRus;1723206 wrote:That should be exposed for the racist statement that it is......black people that succeed are "tokens"...or 'uncle Toms'...you can't take them seriously or use them as examples because they don't follow the victimization path approved by the liberal plantation owners.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 22, 2015 3:32pm
Kinda like racism right?ZWICK 4 PREZ;1723357 wrote:It's called the exception rather than the rule.