Pick6;1715568 wrote:
I was driving from University Circle to downtown today and I thought to myself "why don't they tear some of this shit down". Is it necessary to drive past bad parts of Columbus like it is in Cleveland? Now that I think of it, I don't even know where the bad parts of Columbus are. I usually stick to University/downtown area when I go there. Maybe that has something to do with perception. Just thinking out loud.

you don't drive through bad areas in Columbus bc you have to hop on 270 anytime you go anywhere in Columbus. It's spread out and hardly a downtown presence at all

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1715571 wrote:you don't drive through bad areas in Columbus bc you have to hop on 270 anytime you go anywhere in Columbus.

Yeah thats pretty much what i was getting at. Going from west to east in cleveland, its not practical to get on the interstate to go to coventry, university circle, john carroll, legacy village, etc. The new opportunity corridor (extending 490 to university circle) will help some.

Pick6;1715568 wrote:Fair points. I am downtown nearly every day, but I can't really relate to your point of parts of downtown looking like a ghost town. Maybe you are talking about the Cleveland St and surrounding areas/more East, which I'm sure not sure I'd consider downtown. Parallax is in Tremont. I guess it would depend on where you are coming from, but I can't really think of anywhere shitty you'd drive by, even though it may not be aesthetically pleasing.

I was driving from University Circle to downtown today and I thought to myself "why don't they tear some of this shit down". Is it necessary to drive past bad parts of Columbus like it is in Cleveland? Now that I think of it, I don't even know where the bad parts of Columbus are. I usually stick to University/downtown area when I go there. Maybe that has something to do with perception. Just thinking out loud.

I think I was slightly ambiguous. The bad areas (that seem unsafe) typically seem to be on the RTA line from the airport to Tower City. The aesthetically unpleasing places seem to be the ones all around down town. I agree with you about tearing shit down. I think that's part of my gripe with CLE. It just seems worse than it really is because of all the empty and degrading shit that is still up. Still love the city though.

The thing with columbus is that there really aren't that many aesteically unpleasing places in or around the area. Maybe near Nationwide Children's, but not much else.

Ytowngirlinfla;1715564 wrote:I'm not an Ohio State fan but I would pick Columbus over the others. Though frankly to me Columbus seems like a war zone compared to San Diego. Everyday seems like a murder in east columbus. You would think a border town of 3 million plus would have more crime.

We get it, you live in Cali

DeyDurkie5;1715633 wrote:We get it, you live in Cali

I don't you fucktard. I live in Columbus now.

SportsAndLady;1715525 wrote:Lol yeah, classy acts like Toledo is this wonderful place that has a low cost of living!

No, it's a shithole and no one wants to live there. That's why the cost of living is so low.

I didn't say wonderful did I? I also don't live in Toledo, I live in a suburb

My preference for living in the top 10 metro areas in Ohio would be:

1) Columbus
2) Cleveland
3) Toledo
4) Akron
5) Springfield
6) Cincinnati
7) Dayton
8) Canton
9) Lorain-Elyria
10) Youngstown

This is all conjecture.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1715570 wrote:Hardly. They're both bad and worse than the national average.

This is a hilariously over-generalized statement. Find a "large city" (population over 200k) with a crime rate lower than the national average.

You won't.

MontyBrunswick;1715803 wrote:This is a hilariously over-generalized statement. Find a "large city" (population over 200k) with a crime rate lower than the national average.

You won't.

New York is just a TAD over 200,000


http://www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Columbus&s1=OH&c2=New+York&s2=NY

Sonofanump;1715734 wrote:My preference for living in the top 10 metro areas in Ohio would be:

1) Columbus
2) Cleveland
3) Toledo
4) Akron
5) Springfield
6) Cincinnati
7) Dayton
8) Canton
9) Lorain-Elyria
10) Youngstown

This is all conjecture.

Springfield over Dayton. No chance lol.

ohiobucks1;1715888 wrote:Springfield over Dayton. No chance lol.

That was clearly conjecture, just thinking a smaller town with a university, closer to Cbus. Have not spent much time in either city.

Sonofanump;1715906 wrote:That was clearly conjecture, just thinking a smaller town with a university, closer to Cbus. Have not spent much time in either city.

Fair. I went to Wittenberg. Loved that area.../the rest of Springfield, not so much.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1715848 wrote:New York is just a TAD over 200,000


http://www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Columbus&s1=OH&c2=New+York&s2=NY

That data is almost ten years old. Also, it's UCR data which can be manipulated fairly easily, but I'll bite and play your game anyway with the same UCR data (from 2012):

Overall Average violent crime rate (per 100k): 386
Overall Average property crime rate (per 100k) 2859

And below is a table which lists the top 30 biggest cities (that had complete 2012 UCR data). Rates highlighted in red exceeded the national average:




Large cities (as a whole) generally have more crime simply due to a higher concentration of people and urbanization. The opportunity for crime to take place is exponentially higher the more people you cram into a small space. The data quickly gets skewed and blown out of proportion when people like you try and quantify it and rank things that don't need ranked in the first place. Even the FBI warns that comparing and ranking the data is not useful due to the litany of variables.

An example of such a variable is the fact that Columbus has heavily annexed surrounding areas. This drops the rate of crime by scooping up more "clean" population (thus getting a two-fold dent the overall crime index) and penalizes Cleveland since it's stuck with the same (crime ridden) geographical footprint and a shrinking population base.

Another problem with the data is that it only quantifies crime that occurs within city limits. A murder that occurs in Dublin will NOT count toward the Columbus data the same way a murder in Maple Heights won't count toward Cleveland's data.


HOWEVER, when people are talking about how great Cinci/Akron/Wherever is to live, they're probably lumping all of the suburbs in with the large cities, which makes this thread pointless. I vote we all start over.

I think Columbus is the best major city. Cleveland/Cinci probably has the best overall area.

Thank you for reading.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/travel/2015/03/21/cleveland-rocks-city-makes-comeback/vjYMflq7YdCoffMNJraG3H/story.html#

lol you have a 6% chance of being robbed in Detroit and 2% of being assaulted or worse

Cleveland makes another top food list (#7) and once again, no other Ohio city to be found.

http://time.com/3746147/americas-best-food-cities/

disgusting. http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2015/03/ohio_mom_accused_of_trading_11.html#incart_m-rpt-1

Pick6;1715991 wrote:disgusting. http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2015/03/ohio_mom_accused_of_trading_11.html#incart_m-rpt-1

Dismember them both