TigerNation10
Posts: 483
Mar 8, 2010 9:23pm
2011 conditional draft pick
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Mar 8, 2010 9:25pm
If that's all that was give up, then I don't mind this deal.
Either he or Quinn will be the backup QB unless they can trade for someone else that the front office thinks may be an answer.
Either he or Quinn will be the backup QB unless they can trade for someone else that the front office thinks may be an answer.
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miller45452003
Posts: 673
Mar 8, 2010 9:25pm
Shefter on twitter is saying there is no truth to the trade after he was the one that tweeted it to begin with.
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miller45452003
Posts: 673
Mar 8, 2010 9:27pm
^^^my bad...i read it wrong. Wallace is a Brown for conditional late round pick in 2011. Good pick up IMO...low risk-high reward.
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buckeyes_woowee
Posts: 512
Mar 8, 2010 9:27pm
I agree but Wallace does show some potential.ytownfootball wrote: You don't have to be very good to be better than DA or Quinn, that's not saying a whole hell of a lot.
In 2008 when Hasselbeck got hurt he passed for 1500 yards with 11 TDs and only 3 INTs. Seems to be a good fit for what the Browns need.
Non
Posts: 9,517
Mar 8, 2010 9:41pm
No real reason for this move.
Wallace isn't the long-term solution as a starter. They'll likely keep Anderson or Quinn so now there are just more average backups. They already have a change-of-pace, slash guy.
Wallace isn't the long-term solution as a starter. They'll likely keep Anderson or Quinn so now there are just more average backups. They already have a change-of-pace, slash guy.
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pkebker
Posts: 760
Mar 8, 2010 9:44pm
Holmgren won't be coaching him though...Mangini isn't much for developing players...
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Mar 8, 2010 9:45pm
The trolling is pretty obvious, I just wish people would quit responding to him.Writerbuckeye wrote: You know what, I find Al's "personal attacks" less offensive than the simple fact that he is obviously trolling on a Browns thread.
If you want to flex some mod muscles, get him for trolling. That seems to be a direct violation of almost any forum's protocols.
Sadly, I have no mod muscles.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Mar 8, 2010 9:46pm
Non, you can't really count Cribbs in that equation, he's not been used in a passing capacity. Wallace is a duel threat guy and a change of pace from completely sucking that you see from either Quinn or DA.
Non
Posts: 9,517
Mar 8, 2010 9:48pm
I think Anderson and Quinn are as good as Wallace. Wallace just played in a crappy division so he had some easy wins. He'll lead the Browns to a 6-10 or 7-9 record same as Anderson or Quinn with a little better supporting cast than they had this past year.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Mar 8, 2010 9:51pm
Not content with that obviously.
Non
Posts: 9,517
Mar 8, 2010 9:52pm
Holmgren just has him overrated because he's one of his guys.
Seattle has an aging Hasselbeck who keeps getting hurt every year and Mike Teel and they're willing to give up Wallace for practically nothing. Shows what they think of him.
Seattle has an aging Hasselbeck who keeps getting hurt every year and Mike Teel and they're willing to give up Wallace for practically nothing. Shows what they think of him.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Mar 8, 2010 9:57pm
I think this is just a lateral move unless they grab a starter....then I am fine with it.
Wallace is a career backup and that is all he will ever be. He doesn't have the size or the arm strength to be a NFL starter.
Wallace is a career backup and that is all he will ever be. He doesn't have the size or the arm strength to be a NFL starter.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Mar 8, 2010 9:58pm
The thing that I don't get out of this deal is that I don't see a whole lot of difference between the skill set that Wallace brings to the table and that which Troy Smith brings. But God forbid bringing in Troy Smith, a guy who is damn near begging to be a Brown. I don't think Smith is the answer in Cleveland any more than I think Wallace/Quinn/DA is. I just don't see a difference in their respective games, if someone feels otherwise feel free to enlighten me.
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pkebker
Posts: 760
Mar 8, 2010 9:59pm
I don't think any of us are considering Wallace as the long-term answer at QB...Non wrote: Holmgren just has him overrated because he's one of his guys.
Seattle has an aging Hasselbeck who keeps getting hurt every year and Mike Teel and they're willing to give up Wallace for practically nothing. Shows what they think of him.
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miller45452003
Posts: 673
Mar 8, 2010 10:03pm
I can't bitch a whole lot on the decision. holmgren is the man when it comes to evaluating the QB talent although he def is not the long term answer obviously as he is a 7 year backup w/ spot starts when Hass went down with injury. Seattle may be looking Bradford/Clausen now in the draft as well.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 8, 2010 10:21pm
I thought the same thing.ytownfootball wrote: The thing that I don't get out of this deal is that I don't see a whole lot of difference between the skill set that Wallace brings to the table and that which Troy Smith brings. But God forbid bringing in Troy Smith, a guy who is damn near begging to be a Brown. I don't think Smith is the answer in Cleveland any more than I think Wallace/Quinn/DA is. I just don't see a difference in their respective games, if someone feels otherwise feel free to enlighten me.
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Al Capone
Posts: 1,727
Mar 8, 2010 10:22pm
Good pick up. That move should put you at 4th in the division.
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miller45452003
Posts: 673
Mar 8, 2010 10:36pm
^^^^Only 2 spots lower than the number of sexual assault cases against Biglittle Ben.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Mar 8, 2010 10:38pm
BTW, the Lebron James Browns Colorway looks sick.
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buckeyes_woowee
Posts: 512
Mar 8, 2010 11:02pm
I personally feel like it is a short term upgrade and really giving up nothing.
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big_hits24
Posts: 175
Mar 8, 2010 11:08pm
I have a feeling they did this because I'm afraid both DA and Quinn are out...Maybe releasing DA or going to be involved in a trade. Maybe they'll throw Quinn, Rodgers and a later pick? in For McNabb. I dont know just trying to think of what may be going on.
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Mar 9, 2010 12:27am
I don't get this trade either. I don't think he's an upgrade over what we have. I guess we have to trust Holmgren in this decision. Obviously, he has something else planned. I don't see him being satisfied with thses 3 QB's heading into the season.
Quint
Posts: 737
Mar 9, 2010 12:54am
krazie45
Posts: 1,055
Mar 9, 2010 2:21am
So what's the difference between Seneca Wallace and Troy Smith you might ask?
well let's see:
One wants to be a Brown and the other is forced from a trade.
One has a strong arm while the other does not
One is still young with potential while the other has reached his peak
But the most important thing is that one is Holmgren's puppy dog while the other isn't. I've liked the moves this club has made so far but this is beyond stupid. While the hell would you bring in Wallace and not Smith is BEYOND me.
well let's see:
One wants to be a Brown and the other is forced from a trade.
One has a strong arm while the other does not
One is still young with potential while the other has reached his peak
But the most important thing is that one is Holmgren's puppy dog while the other isn't. I've liked the moves this club has made so far but this is beyond stupid. While the hell would you bring in Wallace and not Smith is BEYOND me.