sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 18, 2015 11:02am
Or in reality, a 1-loss champion of the 2nd best conference in the country is probably going to get into the CFP. They are just predicting the champion to be Alabama.sherm03;1764296 wrote:Why would the CFP jeopardize the integrity of the playoffs by doing that? What do they have to gain from it? ESPN is the only one that gains from having an SEC team in the playoffs. The NCAA already made their money. They have no reason to rig the system to get an SEC team in. /sleeper'd
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Nov 18, 2015 11:09am
The bigger crime is Stanford 9 spots higher than Northwestern.Classyposter58;1764240 wrote:Michigan ranked above Utah eh? Makes sense considering Utah beat them and they have identical records.
Also maybe I'm old school but how the hell can you have Alabama and Notre Dame above undefeated teams this late in the season? Just terrible it needs to be
1 Clemson
2 Ohio State
3 Iowa
4 Oklahoma State
5 Alabama
6 Notre Dame
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Nov 18, 2015 11:20am
No, you're just stupid.Classyposter58;1764240 wrote: Also maybe I'm old school but how the hell can you have Alabama and Notre Dame above undefeated teams this late in the season? Just terrible it needs to be
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Nov 18, 2015 1:20pm
Iowa and Oklahoma State are hard to rank, because neither have played anyone.
Now, they have a common opponent, Iowa State. Iowa beat them 31-17, Oklahoma State beat them 35-31.
However, Iowa State also lost to Texas Tech by 35, TCU by 24, Baylor by 18 and Oklahoma by 36.
It's hard to say either of those teams deserve to be clearly ranked over the top 1-loss teams, including Alabama, Michigan State or Notre Dame.
Now, they have a common opponent, Iowa State. Iowa beat them 31-17, Oklahoma State beat them 35-31.
However, Iowa State also lost to Texas Tech by 35, TCU by 24, Baylor by 18 and Oklahoma by 36.
It's hard to say either of those teams deserve to be clearly ranked over the top 1-loss teams, including Alabama, Michigan State or Notre Dame.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Nov 18, 2015 2:18pm
Iowa beat Wisconsin which is one of bama's signature wins. The difference being Iowa would actually go on the road to face them.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 18, 2015 2:32pm
Iowa hasn't played anyone?Azubuike24;1764332 wrote:Iowa and Oklahoma State are hard to rank, because neither have played anyone.
Now, they have a common opponent, Iowa State. Iowa beat them 31-17, Oklahoma State beat them 35-31.
However, Iowa State also lost to Texas Tech by 35, TCU by 24, Baylor by 18 and Oklahoma by 36.
It's hard to say either of those teams deserve to be clearly ranked over the top 1-loss teams, including Alabama, Michigan State or Notre Dame.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 18, 2015 2:33pm
If Iowa hasn't played anyone then neither has Alabama. Only difference between Iowa and Alabama is that Iowa is undefeated whereas Bama can't even get past lowly Ole Miss.Azubuike24;1764332 wrote:Iowa and Oklahoma State are hard to rank, because neither have played anyone.
Now, they have a common opponent, Iowa State. Iowa beat them 31-17, Oklahoma State beat them 35-31.
However, Iowa State also lost to Texas Tech by 35, TCU by 24, Baylor by 18 and Oklahoma by 36.
It's hard to say either of those teams deserve to be clearly ranked over the top 1-loss teams, including Alabama, Michigan State or Notre Dame.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Nov 18, 2015 4:28pm
Yes not sure I follow. Iowa has as many top 25 wins and doesn't have a loss...especially one AT HOME!SportsAndLady;1764356 wrote:Iowa hasn't played anyone?
Bama gets way way way too much credit when they've struggled to beat some bad teams. They're 2nd best win is a B1G team that's not in first place in their division.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Nov 18, 2015 5:07pm
Ohio State, Baylor, Oklahoma State, TCU and Iowa all rank outside the top 50 in SOS. So really, none of those teams have played anyone. In comparison, Notre Dame is 25 and Alabama is 3. That might be why they are getting votes ahead of other unbeaten teams (Iowa and Oklahoma State).SportsAndLady;1764356 wrote:Iowa hasn't played anyone?
Ohio State is obviously exception given they are defending champs.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Nov 18, 2015 5:09pm
I'm not making the numbers up. I'm using the Sagarin ratings on SOS. It breaks down top 10 wins...and top 30 wins.
http://www.sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
Alabama is 6-1 vs top 30
Notre Dame is 3-1 vs top 30
Ohio State hasn't played a top 30 team
Oklahoma State is 2-0 vs top 30
Baylor is 1-1 vs top 30
Iowa is 2-0 vs top 30
http://www.sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
Alabama is 6-1 vs top 30
Notre Dame is 3-1 vs top 30
Ohio State hasn't played a top 30 team
Oklahoma State is 2-0 vs top 30
Baylor is 1-1 vs top 30
Iowa is 2-0 vs top 30
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Nov 18, 2015 5:10pm
2-0 is better than 6-1.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Nov 18, 2015 5:12pm
I'm not debating that. I'm just pointing out the numbers.wildcats20;1764400 wrote:2-0 is better than 6-1.
It's also irrelevant because Iowa isn't going to get in as a 1-loss team and if they go unbeaten they are probably the #1 or #2 seed.
Same with Oklahoma State.
Both teams will have to get huge quality wins if they want to go unbeaten anyway.
Like it or not, a 1-loss Alabama and 1-loss Notre Dame are already getting the benefit of the doubt. They will clearly remain at the very top of the 1-loss team rankings regardless.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Nov 18, 2015 5:47pm
Iowa had the choice of playing Wiscy at home or on the road?superman;1764354 wrote:Iowa beat Wisconsin which is one of bama's signature wins. The difference being Iowa would actually go on the road to face them.
Iowa's biggest OOC game, at home.
Bama's? Not at home.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Nov 18, 2015 5:51pm
When was the last time Bama played a real team away from home. And I don't mean a neutral site?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 18, 2015 5:52pm
And who decides who are top 30 teams? Biased voters.Azubuike24;1764399 wrote:I'm not making the numbers up. I'm using the Sagarin ratings on SOS. It breaks down top 10 wins...and top 30 wins.
http://www.sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
Alabama is 6-1 vs top 30
Notre Dame is 3-1 vs top 30
Ohio State hasn't played a top 30 team
Oklahoma State is 2-0 vs top 30
Baylor is 1-1 vs top 30
Iowa is 2-0 vs top 30
Does anyone actually think Mississippi state is a good win? Of course not. But the voters had them in the top 30, so Alabama gets a good paper win.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Nov 18, 2015 6:00pm
Bama hasn't played a nonconference road game since 2011. Hope that helps.sportswizuhrd;1764406 wrote:Iowa had the choice of playing Wiscy at home or on the road?
Iowa's biggest OOC game, at home.
Bama's? Not at home.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Nov 18, 2015 6:08pm
And to that point, even the Neutral field games, are in the deep south.superman;1764410 wrote:Bama hasn't played a nonconference road game since 2011. Hope that helps.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Nov 18, 2015 6:34pm
So they should decline invites to play USC at Jerry World (or whatever he calls that damn place) or FSU at the Georgia Dome to play a home and home series against someone like Louisville? Why would anyone do that?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 18, 2015 6:38pm
Who said anything about Louisville?sportswizuhrd;1764412 wrote:So they should decline invites to play USC at Jerry World (or whatever he calls that damn place) or FSU at the Georgia Dome to play a home and home series against someone like Louisville? Why would anyone do that?
Ohio State, Michigan, notre dame, etc. all big time programs they could schedule home and home series.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Nov 18, 2015 7:02pm
Josh Doctson out for the season.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Nov 18, 2015 7:17pm
Could Tayson Hill be Michigan's QB next season?
Interesting scenario here.
https://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=37411349&nid=294&fm=home_page&s_cid=toppick2
Interesting scenario here.
https://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=37411349&nid=294&fm=home_page&s_cid=toppick2
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Nov 18, 2015 8:00pm
Exactly. All have proven they aren't afraid of scheduling big names. But the SEC powers won't play a game above the mason dixon line. You may be able to get a Vandy/Tennessee to come up, but Bama/LSU/FLA etc. aren't coming.SportsAndLady;1764413 wrote:Who said anything about Louisville?
Ohio State, Michigan, notre dame, etc. all big time programs they could schedule home and home series.
redstreak one
Posts: 1,152
Nov 18, 2015 9:38pm
Ncaa II playoffs this saturday at noon Ashland (Ohio) vs Grand Valley State for first round. Lets Go Eagles!
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Nov 18, 2015 9:41pm
Sagarin is not based on voters. Nobody is voting to come up with these rankings.SportsAndLady;1764408 wrote:And who decides who are top 30 teams? Biased voters.
Does anyone actually think Mississippi state is a good win? Of course not. But the voters had them in the top 30, so Alabama gets a good paper win.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Nov 18, 2015 9:51pm
Sagarin is an absolute joke. He had 14-0 Ohio State ranked behind 11-2 USC in 2002.Azubuike24;1764428 wrote:Sagarin is not based on voters. Nobody is voting to come up with these rankings.