sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Sep 27, 2015 11:25pm
LOL. You aren't answered my question nor do you have a clue on how "money" works in college football. The NCAA already sold off the rights so their money is made already for the next 7 years. The network that owns the contract then goes out and sells ads and can garner bigger deals if they get more ratings. Putting ND in a championship game because they will draw more viewers is asinine at best because it benefits no one but the network. Your knowledge of business is beyond lacking and embarrassing at best.And Sleeper, the fact that you think anyone involved gives two shits about the "integrity" of college football is laughable. It's a business. Saying the CFP committee isn't interested in putting together games that would garner the highest ratings possible is like saying that the players don't ever accept cash handshakes from boosters. You're crazy if you think the CFP committee doesn't want the teams that bring in the most money and generate the highest ratings in the CFP.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Sep 27, 2015 11:32pm
They'll join a conference when they have to. But so far, they haven't had to because (1) they haven't been good enough to warrant it for awhile, and (2) an undefeated ND team will make the CFP every time.sleeper;1753550 wrote:I think its funny that ND fans talk about fan base, revenue, contracts, etc. and not anything that actually matters.
I don't give a flying fuck how much money or fans OSU has and I never will. When is ND going to grow up and join a conference like everyone else? No wonder they can't win anything; everyone is focused on money rather than winning. LOL
I understand how that works. If you think execs at ESPN don't have any influence at all on CFP committee members, you're retarded. They want to protect their investment. There will absolutely be shady deals that go on as we get further into this CFP process. We may never know about them. But they will happen.sleeper;1753551 wrote:LOL. You aren't answered my question nor do you have a clue on how "money" works in college football. The NCAA already sold off the rights so their money is made already for the next 7 years. The network that owns the contract then goes out and sells ads and can garner bigger deals if they get more ratings. Putting ND in a championship game because they will draw more viewers is asinine at best because it benefits no one but the network. Your knowledge of business is beyond lacking and embarrassing at best.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Sep 27, 2015 11:34pm
sherm03;1753555 wrote:They'll join a conference when they have to. But so far, they haven't had to because (1) they haven't been good enough to warrant it for awhile, and (2) an undefeated ND team will make the CFP every time.
I understand how that works. If you think execs at ESPN don't have any influence at all on CFP committee members, you're retarded. They want to protect their investment. There will absolutely be shady deals that go on as we get further into this CFP process. We may never know about them. But they will happen.
You really need a tin foil hat.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Sep 27, 2015 11:36pm
An undefeated ND is not guaranteed anything. If there are 4 undefeated teams with a conference title, they get in 10/10 against ND. Sorry, but this isn't the 1970's anymore and ND isn't going to be gifted anything.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Sep 27, 2015 11:41pm
I disagree. And since that situation will never happen, we don't have to worry about it. A more likely situation is one that Ironman described where there are 2 undefeated teams and a bunch of 1 loss teams crowded together fighting for the last 2 spots. Even then, I think ND has an advantage.sleeper;1753560 wrote:An undefeated ND is not guaranteed anything. If there are 4 undefeated teams with a conference title, they get in 10/10 against ND. Sorry, but this isn't the 1970's anymore and ND isn't going to be gifted anything.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Sep 27, 2015 11:56pm
Over most, but not sure over the majority of teams who could play into that scenario.sherm03;1753562 wrote:I disagree. And since that situation will never happen, we don't have to worry about it. A more likely situation is one that Ironman described where there are 2 undefeated teams and a bunch of 1 loss teams crowded together fighting for the last 2 spots. Even then, I think ND has an advantage.
I know they are still a huge name and an undefeated season would be a no doubter. 1 loss and they need a decent bit of help.
Long ass way to go.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Sep 28, 2015 1:42am
Hypothetical about the ND talk and because its a slow night at work...
Big 10 - Ohio State 0 Losses (wins vs Minnesota, Michigan St(only loss), at Michigan and Wisconsin in Big Ten title game)
Big 12 - Baylor 0 Losses (wins vs WVU, at Kansas State, vs Oklahoma, at TCU (only loss) and at Oklahoma St.)
PAC 12 - UCLA 0 Losses (wins at Arizona, vs Arizona St, at Stanford, Cal, at Utah (only loss), at USC and Stanford in PAC 12 title game)
SEC - LSU 0 Losses (wins at Mississippi St., vs Florida, at Alabama, at Ole Miss(only loss), vs A&M, UGA (only loss) in SEC title game)
Notre Dame 0 Losses (wins vs Georgia Tech, vs Navy(only loss) at Clemson(only loss), USC, at Stanford)
ACC - Clemson 1 Loss to ND
Who gets left out? Is it down to Baylor and Notre Dame?
Big 10 - Ohio State 0 Losses (wins vs Minnesota, Michigan St(only loss), at Michigan and Wisconsin in Big Ten title game)
Big 12 - Baylor 0 Losses (wins vs WVU, at Kansas State, vs Oklahoma, at TCU (only loss) and at Oklahoma St.)
PAC 12 - UCLA 0 Losses (wins at Arizona, vs Arizona St, at Stanford, Cal, at Utah (only loss), at USC and Stanford in PAC 12 title game)
SEC - LSU 0 Losses (wins at Mississippi St., vs Florida, at Alabama, at Ole Miss(only loss), vs A&M, UGA (only loss) in SEC title game)
Notre Dame 0 Losses (wins vs Georgia Tech, vs Navy(only loss) at Clemson(only loss), USC, at Stanford)
ACC - Clemson 1 Loss to ND
Who gets left out? Is it down to Baylor and Notre Dame?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Sep 28, 2015 4:32am
ND would be left out in that scenario
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Sep 28, 2015 4:52am
I imagine the big 12 would throw a fit to make sure they weren't left out again.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Sep 28, 2015 7:30am
That scenario is ridiculous to even consider. Gonna be 2 tops undefeated when it's all said & done. Baylor for sure ain't one of them. Maybe OSU, maybe UCLA. ND will have two losses by Dec.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Sep 28, 2015 8:03am
Baylor would be left out for the simple fact ND has a better schedule and better wins. There is no way ND would be left out of a playoff if they are undefeated. Simple as that. 1 loss is different. Depending on who they lose to and how much and how the other teams on the schedule shake out. Either way it's a pointless argument and a conference championship wouldn't be the reason ND is left out smh
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sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Sep 28, 2015 10:30am
Well if you are talking about ND's chances in a 1-loss group of teams, then maybe. I don't think it would have anything to do with money, but rather the strength of schedule particularly big OOC wins. I think conferences give a fairly strong advantage because the same teams every year can adjust and try something new to beat you; so going through those with only 1 loss is difficult.sherm03;1753562 wrote:I disagree. And since that situation will never happen, we don't have to worry about it. A more likely situation is one that Ironman described where there are 2 undefeated teams and a bunch of 1 loss teams crowded together fighting for the last 2 spots. Even then, I think ND has an advantage.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Sep 28, 2015 11:28am
The talk of having 5 unbeaten teams is about as likely as Notre Dame winning the title.
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Sep 28, 2015 11:34am
not only that but in that scenario there are at least 6 1 loss teams. c'mon man.Azubuike24;1753634 wrote:The talk of having 5 unbeaten teams is about as likely as Notre Dame winning the title.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Sep 28, 2015 11:35am
You could have just said 0% and it would be the same thing. ND will never win a title in my lifetime.Azubuike24;1753634 wrote:The talk of having 5 unbeaten teams is about as likely as Notre Dame winning the title.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Sep 28, 2015 12:05pm
(23) West Virginia at (15) Oklahoma
Texas Tech at (5) Baylor
(1) Ohio State at Indiana
Minnesota at (16) Northwestern
Kansas State at (20) Oklahoma State
(3) Ole Miss at (25) Florida
(21) Mississippi State at (14) Texas A&M
(6) Notre Dame at (12) Clemson
(13) Alabama at (8) Georgia
Great slate of games this weekend.
Texas Tech at (5) Baylor
(1) Ohio State at Indiana
Minnesota at (16) Northwestern
Kansas State at (20) Oklahoma State
(3) Ole Miss at (25) Florida
(21) Mississippi State at (14) Texas A&M
(6) Notre Dame at (12) Clemson
(13) Alabama at (8) Georgia
Great slate of games this weekend.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Sep 28, 2015 12:34pm
Georgia favored over Bama right now. If that remains true, it will be the first time Bama is an underdog in like 75 games.Azubuike24;1753653 wrote:(23) West Virginia at (15) Oklahoma
Texas Tech at (5) Baylor
(1) Ohio State at Indiana
Minnesota at (16) Northwestern
Kansas State at (20) Oklahoma State
(3) Ole Miss at (25) Florida
(21) Mississippi State at (14) Texas A&M
(6) Notre Dame at (12) Clemson
(13) Alabama at (8) Georgia
Great slate of games this weekend.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Sep 28, 2015 2:26pm
...and I still wouldn't pick Georgia. Until their QB shows he can do anything but complete 90% of 6-yard dump passes and basic routes, I won't pick UGA to even win the East
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bigkahuna
Posts: 4,454
Sep 28, 2015 2:45pm
I wonder where Gameday will be. UGA or Clemson?
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Sep 28, 2015 2:52pm
It's at Clemson.bigkahuna;1753726 wrote:I wonder where Gameday will be. UGA or Clemson?
Scarlet_Buckeye
Posts: 5,264
Sep 28, 2015 2:54pm
In this specific scenario...sportswizuhrd;1753566 wrote:Hypothetical about the ND talk and because its a slow night at work...
Big 10 - Ohio State 0 Losses (wins vs Minnesota, Michigan St(only loss), at Michigan and Wisconsin in Big Ten title game)
Big 12 - Baylor 0 Losses (wins vs WVU, at Kansas State, vs Oklahoma, at TCU (only loss) and at Oklahoma St.)
PAC 12 - UCLA 0 Losses (wins at Arizona, vs Arizona St, at Stanford, Cal, at Utah (only loss), at USC and Stanford in PAC 12 title game)
SEC - LSU 0 Losses (wins at Mississippi St., vs Florida, at Alabama, at Ole Miss(only loss), vs A&M, UGA (only loss) in SEC title game)
Notre Dame 0 Losses (wins vs Georgia Tech, vs Navy(only loss) at Clemson(only loss), USC, at Stanford)
ACC - Clemson 1 Loss to ND
Who gets left out? Is it down to Baylor and Notre Dame?
Ohio State is in.
LSU is in.
Notre Dame is in.
Then I'd say UCLA, Baylor, Michigan State, Clemson (in that order)
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Sep 28, 2015 4:22pm
Unless Richt comes down with a 24-hour malaria and can't attend, Alabama wins the game.Azubuike24;1753717 wrote:...and I still wouldn't pick Georgia. Until their QB shows he can do anything but complete 90% of 6-yard dump passes and basic routes, I won't pick UGA to even win the East
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Sep 29, 2015 1:47pm
Game day should be in Bloomington...battle of unbeatens. But I suppose they get tired of covering the Buckeyes.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Sep 29, 2015 3:06pm
If that's the criteria, Gameday should be in Gainesville for Ole Miss/Florida. Or Notre Dame/Clemson.
Despite it being unbeatens, I think we can probably say that Florida and Indiana are pretenders.
Alabama/Georgia probably goes a decent way in determining one of the playoff teams.
Despite it being unbeatens, I think we can probably say that Florida and Indiana are pretenders.
Alabama/Georgia probably goes a decent way in determining one of the playoff teams.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Oct 3, 2015 3:10pm
Texas down 50-0.
Michigan State survives mighty Purdue by 3 points at home.
Michigan State survives mighty Purdue by 3 points at home.