sleeper;1703447 wrote:I think the team is fine right now but again its pretty apparent that the QB selection is poor at best. Manziel needs to go but I think this team is much closer to being relevant than we ever have been. Gordon being a POS doesn't help either.

rrfan;1703455 wrote:How about completely wasting your two first round draft picks from last year....

sleeper;1703505 wrote:I'm not sure if you are agreeing with me, but it seems like you are. I have no confidence in the talent acquisition team in Cleveland. It's a joke.

BR1986FB;1703614 wrote:They REALLY need to hit on these two 1st rounders (assuming they don't lose picks) this year. It's early to call Gilbert a complete bust but their last three 1st round drafts (T-Rich/Weeden, Mingo, Gilbert/Manziel) have looked like complete failures as far as landing impact guys.

rrfan;1703632 wrote:Exactly this is a different team right now if you hit those draft picks. Even three out of four but very possible that all are a huge miss. Only one I have hope for is Gilbert and he is not close now. Mingo at least has played and that is about it.

BR1986FB;1703639 wrote:It all begins and ends at QB though. Yeah, they may be able to swing some wins playing D and running the ball, with a game manager, but they won't go to the playoffs or win a SB without one.

SportsAndLady;1703643 wrote:This

Get a fucking qb, keep building the lines, make the defense respectable. That's how you win in the NFL.

BR1986FB;1703645 wrote:Agreed. Now you see why I'm so pissed ALL of the time now. I don't WANT them to make the playoffs. I want them to win the whole damn thing.

Yes, keep building up the lines and play defense but until they have that QB, they're pissing in the wind. My issue is that I don't see that QB on the horizon.

And no, I'm not asking for a Peyton Manning/Tom Brady type as there are only about 4 or 5 "elite" QB's in the league but is it TOO much to ask for a Joe Flacco/Matt Stafford type?

rrfan;1703646 wrote:Agree 100%. That QB is not out there right now. I know it is not Maziel. To many wasted picks...

BR1986FB;1703649 wrote:You'd think by now they would've brought in a talented evaluator.

lhslep134;1703717 wrote:They did. His name is Ray Farmer. The same guy who liked Bitonio, Kirksey, Crowell, West, etc. The same guy who wanted Bridgewater over Manziel, but the guy cutting checks wanted Manziel.

BR1986FB;1703718 wrote:And you know this last statement how? Looks like he missed on his top pick (Gilbert).

BR1986FB;1703614 wrote:It's early to call Gilbert a complete bust .

BR1986FB;1703726 wrote:1) if it's too early to call Gilbert a bust, it's too early to call Farmer a talented evaluator

lhslep134;1703731 wrote:"It's too early to call a rookie playing the 2nd hardest position for rookies a bust, therefore it's too early to call a guy who brings in rookies and free agents and evaluates the whole team when making signings and cuts a good talent evaluator, despite the fact we're clearly more talented than we were last year"

Because evaluating a rookie CB and a GM are exactly the same...

Nice logic bro!

BR1986FB;1703740 wrote:As I recall, quite a few people thought Savage & Heckert were good talent evaluators also, "bro."

lhslep134;1703746 wrote:I would love to hear the relevance of this to my point. I'll save you time: there is none.

BR1986FB;1703753 wrote:Plenty of relevance. You're coming across like Farmer is some kind of personnel "savior' like many thought Savage & Heckert were. Both Savage & Farmer failed in the end.

sleeper;1703748 wrote:I like the talent on this team but I don't like our QBs. If we rated this team on QBs since 1999, I would give us an F or a zero whichever is lower.

We need to cut Manziel or trade him for a bag of chips. Maybe we can swindle Al Davis into trading a 2nd rounder for him.

thavoice;1703764 wrote:Doubt Al Davis will make any sort of deal with the browns..............

I think thew hole AFC north will be in for a rude awakening next year with the schedule.