ernest_t_bass;1696008 wrote:Braxton has better odds than JT? WTF?

I'm just shocked that JT has the worst odds. Figured he would be the favorite then Braxton then Cardale. Kind of makes sense though since Cardale will be the only one healthy in the spring

After the last three games, to me it is:

1) Cardale - Get one more CFP championship, and use next season to get ready to be the #1 pick in the draft.
2) JT (He still has 3 more years of eligibility)
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ernest_t_bass;1696020 wrote:After the last three games, to me it is:

1) Cardale - Get one more CFP championship, and use next season to get ready to be the #1 pick in the draft.
2) JT (He still has 3 more years of eligibility)
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Yep, best case scenario is Cardale starting next year and going pro, then we have JT for two more years after that.

I think people are underestimating Braxton a little bit.

In 2013 he completed 63.5% of his passes, Eff 158.1. JT was 64.6%, Eff of 169.8. JT started out with a bad Oline this year, but the receivers/backs were much better this year. Plus Braxton is probably the better runner. I would lean towards JT as the better fit for OSU going forward, but it's very close with Braxton. Cardale is the wild card, he could be better than both.

Zoltan;1696045 wrote:I think people are underestimating Braxton a little bit.

In 2013 he completed 63.5% of his passes, Eff 158.1. JT was 64.6%, Eff of 169.8. JT started out with a bad Oline this year, but the receivers/backs were much better this year. Plus Braxton is probably the better runner. I would lean towards JT as the better fit for OSU going forward, but it's very close with Braxton. Cardale is the wild card, he could be better than both.

Cardale will be the starter next year if he returns; there is no doubt about it.

sleeper;1696047 wrote:Cardale will be the starter next year if he returns; there is no doubt about it.

There's lots of doubt about it. There is a LONG off season coming up, and plenty of chances for people to screw up, get better, etc. Even if Cardale can play a little better when the lights are on during fall Saturdays, he is not going be out of the field if he isn't leading in the off season by example.

No sign of KnyghtRyder yet huh?

Congrats Buckeye Nation.

sleeper;1696047 wrote:Cardale will be the starter next year if he returns; there is no doubt about it.

Certainly doubt about it. JT did what he did over the course of an entire season, minus post season. The kid can throw the ball, and run it as well. Although Cardale did great, he is not near the runner. Again, not knocking Jones...but OSU bailed him out a couple times. He had some bonehead mistakes that he did get away with vs Bama and Oregon. But to say there is no doubt, is just ridiculous at this point. I mean, we could go back and say Miller would be the starter, but I have NO doubt OSU beats VT, probably bad, with Miller at QB and that OSU would have been in the playoff without any questions. And how many people would go crazy over that assumption. Too many if's, and's and but's right now to determine who the QB will be to start the season.

centralbucksfan;1696056 wrote:Certainly doubt about it. JT did what he did over the course of an entire season, minus post season. The kid can throw the ball, and run it as well. Although Cardale did great, he is not near the runner. Again, not knocking Jones...but OSU bailed him out a couple times. He had some bonehead mistakes that he did get away with vs Bama and Oregon. But to say there is no doubt, is just ridiculous at this point. I mean, we could go back and say Miller would be the starter, but I have NO doubt OSU beats VT, probably bad, with Miller at QB and that OSU would have been in the playoff without any questions. And how many people would go crazy over that assumption. Too many if's, and's and but's right now to determine who the QB will be to start the season.

One thing you're overlooking is the quality of competition that Cardale Jones had his run against. It's not as if it was a 3 game streak against .500 or less teams.

Woooooo. Number 44....Gonna get me some cold cuts today.

Fly4Fun;1696059 wrote:One thing you're overlooking is the quality of competition that Cardale Jones had his run against. It's not as if it was a 3 game streak against .500 or less teams.

Cardale also had a much better defense to not only take the pressure off, but actually bail him out like last night. Just different situations all the way around. Braxton had zero margin for error last year vs. Clemson for example. Our defense was Swiss cheese.

Cardale Jones should either bolt for the NFL or transfer to Youngstown State and play for Pellini and Tressel. I think that Braxton will start and JT will be the backup. It was just amazing to see Jones bulldoze 300 pounders to pick up first downs.

Every game askey moments. The drop on third down(the first one) could have cost the Buckeyes a 14 nothing deficit as at that point, we were not stopping them. Second big play was the third and 8 completion from their own 3 yard line down 7-0. Third big play...same drive...converting 4th and 2 at theOregon 35...by literally one inch. Moments later Zeke busted it to the house.

The second dropped pass...a 40 yarder on third and 12 was huge as well. Then the goal line stand... (dumb play call there). And the defense holding Oregon to a field goal after Cardale's horrible blunder.

On a side note, I don't understand all the negativity on Mariota. I thought he played really. really well. Completion percentage was good, threw 2 TD's and no picks.. (desperation throw on the last play doesn't count} and had 3 or 4 passes dropped by their second string receivers.

I was very impressed with him.

Cardale Jones should either bolt for the NFL or transfer to Youngstown State and play for Pellini and Tressel. I think that Braxton will start and JT will be the backup. It was just amazing to see Jones bulldoze 300 pounders to pick up first downs.

Every game has key moments. The drop on third down(the first one) could have cost the Buckeyes a 14 nothing deficit as at that point, we were not stopping them. Second big play was the third and 8 completion from their own 3 yard line down 7-0. Third big play...same drive...converting 4th and 2 at theOregon 35...by literally one inch. Moments later Zeke busted it to the house.

The second dropped pass...a 40 yarder on third and 12 was huge as well. Then the goal line stand... (dumb play call there). And the defense holding Oregon to a field goal after Cardale's horrible blunder.

On a side note, I don't understand all the negativity on Mariota. I thought he played really. really well. Completion percentage was good, threw 2 TD's and no picks.. (desperation throw on the last play doesn't count} and had 3 or 4 passes dropped by their second string receivers.

I was very impressed with him.

centralbucksfan;1696056 wrote:Certainly doubt about it. JT did what he did over the course of an entire season, minus post season. The kid can throw the ball, and run it as well. Although Cardale did great, he is not near the runner. Again, not knocking Jones...but OSU bailed him out a couple times. He had some bonehead mistakes that he did get away with vs Bama and Oregon. But to say there is no doubt, is just ridiculous at this point. I mean, we could go back and say Miller would be the starter, but I have NO doubt OSU beats VT, probably bad, with Miller at QB and that OSU would have been in the playoff without any questions. And how many people would go crazy over that assumption. Too many if's, and's and but's right now to determine who the QB will be to start the season.

Cardale will flat out beat JT in any pre-season competition. Cardale is absolutely a better passer and a much better runner. Sure Cardale isn't a quick speedy QB but he's hard to bring down and compliments the offense much better. Again, I will put $10,000 that Cardale, if he doesn't go pro, will be the starter next year. Assuming of course Cardale doesn't get hurt of course.

Footwedge;1696066 wrote:Cardale Jones should either bolt for the NFL or transfer to Youngstown State and play for Pellini and Tressel. I think that Braxton will start and JT will be the backup. It was just amazing to see Jones bulldoze 300 pounders to pick up first downs.

Every game has key moments. The drop on third down(the first one) could have cost the Buckeyes a 14 nothing deficit as at that point, we were not stopping them. Second big play was the third and 8 completion from their own 3 yard line down 7-0. Third big play...same drive...converting 4th and 2 at theOregon 35...by literally one inch. Moments later Zeke busted it to the house.

The second dropped pass...a 40 yarder on third and 12 was huge as well. Then the goal line stand... (dumb play call there). And the defense holding Oregon to a field goal after Cardale's horrible blunder.

On a side note, I don't understand all the negativity on Mariota. I thought he played really. really well. Completion percentage was good, threw 2 TD's and no picks.. (desperation throw on the last play doesn't count} and had 3 or 4 passes dropped by their second string receivers.

I was very impressed with him.

You think jones should transfer to an FCS school after winning a national championship.

You truly are a god damn moron.

So when do the ESPN reporters show up with FOIA requests?

Anyone heard anything about when a celebration will be?

sleeper;1696067 wrote:Cardale will flat out beat JT in any pre-season competition. Cardale is absolutely a better passer and a much better runner. Sure Cardale isn't a quick speedy QB but he's hard to bring down and compliments the offense much better. Again, I will put $10,000 that Cardale, if he doesn't go pro, will be the starter next year. Assuming of course Cardale doesn't get hurt of course.

If Cardale stays hungry I can't imagine not starting him. But I could see him buying his own hype a little bit and getting outworked.

Kind of sucks that he only has 2 days to figure it out.

centralbucksfan;1696056 wrote:Certainly doubt about it. JT did what he did over the course of an entire season, minus post season. The kid can throw the ball, and run it as well. Although Cardale did great, he is not near the runner. Again, not knocking Jones...but OSU bailed him out a couple times. He had some bonehead mistakes that he did get away with vs Bama and Oregon. But to say there is no doubt, is just ridiculous at this point. I mean, we could go back and say Miller would be the starter, but I have NO doubt OSU beats VT, probably bad, with Miller at QB and that OSU would have been in the playoff without any questions. And how many people would go crazy over that assumption. Too many if's, and's and but's right now to determine who the QB will be to start the season.

Other than his fumble last night(that I'm not necessarily sure was boneheaded), what boneheaded plays has Jones made?

If Cardale comes back, I don't know what Urban will do, but I know what he should do is start Cardale and give him the 1st team reps all offseason and try to build up his mental game. Yes Barrett is a better runner, and Braxton is one of the best running QBs I have ever seen, but Cardale is a superior passer to Barrett and puts Miller to shame. And to max out again next year like they did this year, they need Cardale's NFL arm more than they need Barrett or Miller's running. We have lots of guys that can run the ball other than the QB.

centralbucksfan;1696056 wrote:I mean, we could go back and say Miller would be the starter, but I have NO doubt OSU beats VT, probably bad, with Miller at QB and that OSU would have been in the playoff without any questions. And how many people would go crazy over that assumption. Too many if's, and's and but's right now to determine who the QB will be to start the season.

If Barrett doesn't get hurt I don't think we beat Alabama. If Miller doesn't get hurt I don't think we beat Michigan State or Baylor in the Cotton Bowl.

Cleveland Buck;1696083 wrote:If Barrett doesn't get hurt I don't think we beat Alabama. If Miller doesn't get hurt I don't think we beat Michigan State or Baylor in the Cotton Bowl.

Why?