se-alum;1684898 wrote:When those guys came in the league, that whole style was very new. It's not new anymore, and only one of those three QB's are legitimate in the league. They may not have tape on Manziel, but they have played and watched plenty of tape on that style. I don't think the story changes for the Browns, they have to be able to run the ball like they did in the first game with the Bengals.

I agree with this. Kaepernick shows some consistency when their running game is gouging people. When it's not, he really tends to struggle.

The "dual-threat" QB's have shown to be less than consistent in terms of production on a week to week basis. The biggest reason Wilson is seen as a good QB is because he takes care of the football, more often than not, and allows his rushing game and defense to seal the deal. Yes, he has big games at times, but for the most part, the threat of their mobility is what opens up rushing lanes. Looking forward to seeing what Johnny can do. I just hope he takes things as they come, doesn't try to do to much, and walks out of their with a team win on Sunday.

Anyone have an idea when Manziel and Hoyer are supposed to have their press conferences today? THOSE I want to watch lol

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1684907 wrote:I agree with this. Kaepernick shows some consistency when their running game is gouging people. When it's not, he really tends to struggle.

The "dual-threat" QB's have shown to be less than consistent in terms of production on a week to week basis. The biggest reason Wilson is seen as a good QB is because he takes care of the football, more often than not, and allows his rushing game and defense to seal the deal. Yes, he has big games at times, but for the most part, the threat of their mobility is what opens up rushing lanes. Looking forward to seeing what Johnny can do. I just hope he takes things as they come, doesn't try to do to much, and walks out of their with a team win on Sunday.

Kaepernick was a very inaccurate passer in college so to lump Manziel in with him is simply wrong. I am surprised Kapernick has seen the success that he has, albeithis true colors are beginning to surface. As for Wilson, his success is cannot be disputed. But Manziel will prove to be a good bit better than Wilson.

In today's PD. Pluto had a great article entitled "the 10 things Manziel must remember". It was a great article. One of the most salient points he made was this and quote..."in 2013, Manziel completed 74% of his passes when he et up and threw from the pocket. For all the fascination with his scrambling, Manziel can be a very effective quarterback when he drops back and throws the ball".

Let that sink in. This is why I get a little annoyed with these people that think Manziel will be a bust because "scrambling quarterbacks "do not equate" at this level. Whereby I can't prove it, I really doubt Peyton Manning completed 74% of his passes from the pocket in the SEC at Tennessee. And I know Brady never did. Not even close. And this is exactly what annoys me about the Johnny doubters...that KNOW NOTHING about what he actually did ay A & M as a player. They watched a few ESPN clips of Johnny throwing up 50-50 balls to Mike Evan and think that's all he can do. (throwing up a 0-50 ball to Mike Evans is a pretty smart thing to do actually)

Pluto's article went on to say this..."ESPN reports that Manziel threw 347 passes directly from the pocket, and only 3 were batted down. That is a surprisingly low number for a quarterback optimistically listed at 6' tall".

What that demonstrates is the intellectual aptitude of this guy.

People on this site give me a lot of shit regarding placing a "can't miss" label on Manziel. In reality there is no such thing as a "can't miss" in the NFL. I never dreamed that RGIII would be a bust after his phenomenal rookie season. But for all intents and purposes, he looks like a bust.

The only legitimate argument that Manziel won't be a top 5 quarterback in this league would be this. He could get hurt. Yes he could.

Manzel will make some plays with his legs, no doubt about that. Ultimately it will come down to how well he can consistantly throw the football. Yeah, a mobile QB can drive you nuts and get some first downs to frustrate a defense, but unless he can stand in the pocket and deliver the ball effectively, he just wont be what the franchise needed.

There's little more entertaining that regular lengthy posts solely based on "Well, he was great in college, so there's no doubt he'll be great as a pro!!!"

Even by moronic talk radio standards, that's hilarious.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1684907 wrote:I agree with this. Kaepernick shows some consistency when their running game is gouging people. When it's not, he really tends to struggle.

The "dual-threat" QB's have shown to be less than consistent in terms of production on a week to week basis. The biggest reason Wilson is seen as a good QB is because he takes care of the football, more often than not, and allows his rushing game and defense to seal the deal. Yes, he has big games at times, but for the most part, the threat of their mobility is what opens up rushing lanes. Looking forward to seeing what Johnny can do. I just hope he takes things as they come, doesn't try to do to much, and walks out of their with a team win on Sunday.

Kaepernick was a very inaccurate passer in college so to lump Manziel in with him is simply wrong. I am surprised Kapernick has seen the success that he has, albeit his true colors are beginning to surface. As for Wilson, his success is cannot be disputed. But Manziel will prove to be a good bit better than Wilson.

In today's PD. Pluto had a great article entitled "the 10 things Manziel must remember". It was a great article. One of the most salient points he made was this and I quote..."in 2013, Manziel completed 74% of his passes when he set up and threw from the pocket. For all the fascination with his scrambling, Manziel can be a very effective quarterback when he drops back and throws the ball".

Let that sink in. This is why I get a little annoyed with these people that think Manziel will be a bust because scrambling quarterbacks "do not equate" at this level. Whereby I can't prove it, I really doubt Peyton Manning completed 74% of his passes from the pocket in the SEC at Tennessee. And I know Brady never did. Not even close. And this is exactly what annoys me about the Johnny doubters...that KNOW NOTHING about what he actually did at A & M as a player. They watched a few ESPN clips of Johnny throwing up 50-50 balls to Mike Evan and think that's all he can do. (throwing up a 50-50 ball to Mike Evans is a pretty smart thing to do actually)

Pluto's article went on to say this..."ESPN reports that Manziel threw 347 passes directly from the pocket, and only 3 were batted down. That is a surprisingly low number for a quarterback optimistically listed at 6' tall".

What that demonstrates is the intellectual aptitude of this guy.

People on this site give me a lot of shit regarding placing a "can't miss" label on Manziel. In reality there is no such thing as a "can't miss" in the NFL. I never dreamed that RGIII would be a bust after his phenomenal rookie season. But for all intents and purposes, he looks like a bust.

The only legitimate argument that Manziel won't be a top 5 quarterback in this league would be this. He could get hurt. Yes he could.

thavoice;1684914 wrote:Manzel will make some plays with his legs, no doubt about that. Ultimately it will come down to how well he can consistantly throw the football. Yeah, a mobile QB can drive you nuts and get some first downs to frustrate a defense, but unless he can stand in the pocket and deliver the ball effectively, he just wont be what the franchise needed.

SMH. I'll put you on the list of people that know nothing about his in-the-pocket throwing prowess.

Heretic;1684915 wrote:There's little more entertaining that regular lengthy posts solely based on "Well, he was great in college, so there's no doubt he'll be great as a pro!!!"

Even by moronic talk radio standards, that's hilarious.

Whether you like to think so or not...the percentages say that those that performed great in college, have the best success rate in the pros. What's really "hilarious" is your infatuation in trying to insult me versus actually adding some intellectual analyticals on the topic at hand. You sir, are an embarrassment...just sayin.

Unless Manziel gets happy feet, we should get a chance to see how well he does as a pocket passer this week. The Bengals have virtually no pass rush (15 sacks).

Footwedge;1684918 wrote:SMH. I'll put you on the list of people that know nothing about his in-the-pocket throwing prowess.

Am I missing something....like all of his in the pocket passes he has attempted in the NFL?

BR1986FB;1684921 wrote:Unless Manziel gets happy feet, we should get a chance to see how well he does as a pocket passer this week. The Bengals have virtually no pass rush (15 sacks).

Will see his maturation process. Many young QBs, especially ones like him, make a quick read then try to run it.

thavoice;1684923 wrote:Will see his maturation process. Many young QBs, especially ones like him, make a quick read then try to run it.

My biggest concern is him reading defenses but his ability to scramble could negate some of that, assuming he takes off. I do think that Shanahan will have to scale back the playbook a bit.

Footwedge;1684920 wrote:...the percentages say that those that performed great in college, have the best success rate in the pros.

Many great college players (especially qbs) haven't done well in the NFL. Look at the Heisman winners and tell me what percent of the QB's did well. (To find percent, you take the number that did well divide it by the total number and multiply by 100)

Al Bundy;1684925 wrote:Many great college players (especially qbs) haven't done well in the NFL. Look at the Heisman winners and tell me what percent of the QB's did well. (To find percent, you take the number that did well divide it by the total number and multiply by 100)

It's called percentages. No matter who you are, people that excel at one level will ALWAYS do better at the next level. If that wasn't the case, then there would be no need to give scholarships to magna cum laudes now would there be? Doesn't surprise me that you would think otherwise.

thavoice;1684922 wrote:Am I missing something....like all of his in the pocket passes he has attempted in the NFL?

A small sample size I'll admit...but from the 9 passing plays in Buffalo he ran it once...a little LESS ratio than the running he did at A & M.

Footwedge;1684926 wrote:It's called percentages. No matter who you are, people that excel at one level will ALWAYS do better at the next level.

I agree.

Sincerely,
Tim Tebow

Footwedge;1684926 wrote:No matter who you are, people that excel at one level will ALWAYS do better at the next level.

According to you then, Eric Crouch, Troy Smith, and Chris Weinke all excelled at the next level? I mean you did say ALWAYS, you dumbass old fogie.

shook_17;1684885 wrote:Lol at BR for putting me in the same sentence as footwedge and iggy. If Manziel came out and sucked it up it wouldn't surprise me one bit. I'm hoping and praying for big things but if he flopped against the bengals, eh what's the big deal. Can't be worse than Hoyer.

Bad job out of you in feeling the need to apologize for having excitement that Manziel is starting. SMH. Do you wear a skirt?

You're so incredibly stupid, FW. I am truly sorry for your son that he inherited your inferior DNA.

BR1986FB;1684928 wrote:I agree.

Sincerely,
Tim Tebow

I concur,

SIncerely,

Recently released from prison Ryan Leaf

Who isn't excited about Manziel starting? Most of us just aren't delusional about it like others.

lhslep134;1684929 wrote:According to you then, Eric Crouch, Troy Smith, and Chris Weinke all excelled at the next level? I mean you did say ALWAYS, you dumbass old fogie.

Maybe your law school can offer a remedial class in comprehension lhshemp. Percentage wise it is a proven fact that those that succeed at one level will percentage wise do better at the next level. that is true in every facet of life, including pro football. If you are an All American in college then your chancre of success in the NFL is markedly higher than if you were not an All American. So sorry that this reality is above the heads of you...and Turdy.

Now tell me again all about the short right field porch at progressive field.

lhslep134;1684929 wrote:According to you then, Eric Crouch, Troy Smith, and Chris Weinke all excelled at the next level? I mean you did say ALWAYS, you dumbass old fogie.

LOLOLOL. Idiot alert...Idiot alert. Here is some help...just for you.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/percentage

BR1986FB;1684934 wrote:Who isn't excited about Manziel starting? Most of us just aren't delusional about it like others.

And then there are those that feel the need to apologize for being so...like shook...because...gasp...he agrees with FW and Iggypride. Simply put...bad job out of him.

Commander of Awesome;1684875 wrote:@FOX19Joe: Marvin Lewis press conference about to start...and there is a little person in the interview room. There's a real midget sitting in the first row, and he asked a question about Manziel "standing tall" in the pocket. LOL

It was Lil John from Fox 8...AWESOME