HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Apr 30, 2015 5:47pm
Last year you used a #1 pick plus a later pick to move up toi get JFF. Now this year, on a small sample, you pull the plug on your judgement last year and give it no chance to succeed. This year you trade your two #1 picks plus more picks to get Mariotta, a guy with a good chance to be a franchise QB, but certainly, as NFL history shows us, hardly a guarantee.
Put that together and you will have spent 3 #1 picks plus extra picks in an attempt to acquire a QB that MAY succeed.
Do you think that is the way to build a successful team?...spending 3-5 top picks on 1 player and hoping for a hit? I don't know ANY successful teams that operate this way.
IMHO, you trust your initial judgement on Manziel, you apply your current draft picks on increasing and solidifying the areas of the team that you've neglected, and if JFF doesn't pan out...the QB crop next year is better.
Put that together and you will have spent 3 #1 picks plus extra picks in an attempt to acquire a QB that MAY succeed.
Do you think that is the way to build a successful team?...spending 3-5 top picks on 1 player and hoping for a hit? I don't know ANY successful teams that operate this way.
IMHO, you trust your initial judgement on Manziel, you apply your current draft picks on increasing and solidifying the areas of the team that you've neglected, and if JFF doesn't pan out...the QB crop next year is better.
B
BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 30, 2015 6:11pm
If he's great, it would be a small price to pay. The problem with middle of the road (or lesser) QB's like the Browns have had are that they may get you to 5-7 wins year in, and year out. This is going to leave the team drafting in the 8-12 range which will be out of reach (likely) for a franchise QB. At some point, they are probably going to need to pull the trigger on a ridiculous trade up to get that guy.hangonsloopy;1725643 wrote:I'm not a huge fan of trading up for Mariota but I'm tired of people saying they would "give up the farm" for him. Trading your second 1st this year(which you acquired for exactly this reason) and a first next year is not giving up the farm. Is it a lot? Sure. If they think he's gonna be great though it's a small price to pay.
And as an FYI, the Tits "starting point" in negotiations to come up from #12 is three 1st's. That's the starting point. They may back off on that but they want at least an RGIII type deal.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Apr 30, 2015 6:33pm
ALL OF THIS.HitsRus;1725655 wrote:Last year you used a #1 pick plus a later pick to move up toi get JFF. Now this year, on a small sample, you pull the plug on your judgement last year and give it no chance to succeed. This year you trade your two #1 picks plus more picks to get Mariotta, a guy with a good chance to be a franchise QB, but certainly, as NFL history shows us, hardly a guarantee.
Put that together and you will have spent 3 #1 picks plus extra picks in an attempt to acquire a QB that MAY succeed.
Do you think that is the way to build a successful team?...spending 3-5 top picks on 1 player and hoping for a hit? I don't know ANY successful teams that operate this way.
IMHO, you trust your initial judgement on Manziel, you apply your current draft picks on increasing and solidifying the areas of the team that you've neglected, and if JFF doesn't pan out...the QB crop next year is better.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 30, 2015 6:42pm
Yep. I repped HitsAutomatik;1725660 wrote:ALL OF THIS.
S
Sonofanump
Apr 30, 2015 6:56pm
Your point is valid, the only thing is one is 5'11" and can not read a playbook and the other is 6'4".HitsRus;1725655 wrote:Last year you used a #1 pick plus a later pick to move up toi get JFF. Now this year, on a small sample, you pull the plug on your judgement last year and give it no chance to succeed. This year you trade your two #1 picks plus more picks to get Mariotta, a guy with a good chance to be a franchise QB, but certainly, as NFL history shows us, hardly a guarantee.
Put that together and you will have spent 3 #1 picks plus extra picks in an attempt to acquire a QB that MAY succeed.
Do you think that is the way to build a successful team?...spending 3-5 top picks on 1 player and hoping for a hit? I don't know ANY successful teams that operate this way.
IMHO, you trust your initial judgement on Manziel, you apply your current draft picks on increasing and solidifying the areas of the team that you've neglected, and if JFF doesn't pan out...the QB crop next year is better.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Apr 30, 2015 7:01pm
Don't forget the other hasn't read a defense ever, nor has he taken a snap from under center.Sonofanump;1725663 wrote:Your point is valid, the only thing is one is 5'11" and can not read a playbook and the other is 6'4".
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Apr 30, 2015 7:50pm
Just make your team better with good position players and not make a Cleveland move for once. Trading Wiggins was one mistake enough for this season, only guy they should move up for is Cooper
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Apr 30, 2015 7:54pm
Trading Wiggins wasn't a mistake.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 30, 2015 7:57pm
Browns. Browns.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 30, 2015 7:58pm
Looks pretty dumb now because of the Love injury but there's no way they could have possibly foreseen that. hahaHighRoller74;1725678 wrote:Trading Wiggins wasn't a mistake.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Apr 30, 2015 8:03pm
Don't wanna hijack this thread but I thought it was terrible from the beginning. You get an eventual superstar for cheap. Also moving this was an awful idea, that theater has a ton of empty seats
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 30, 2015 8:04pm
You are a moronClassyposter58;1725682 wrote:Also moving this was an awful idea, that theater has a ton of empty seats
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Apr 30, 2015 8:04pm
Haha I was about to say never mind it's filled up
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 30, 2015 8:07pm
Classy please get the fuck out of this thread until Round 1 is over
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Apr 30, 2015 8:30pm
If Raiders go Amari, wouldn't mind the Browns trading up and trying to grab Leonard Williams
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 30, 2015 8:34pm
Stop the run.HighRoller74;1725711 wrote:If Raiders go Amari, wouldn't mind the Browns trading up and trying to grab Leonard Williams
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 30, 2015 8:37pm
Yup.SportsAndLady;1725714 wrote:Stop the run.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 30, 2015 9:15pm
Well we are able to get either Parker or Shelton...which one do we pick?
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 30, 2015 9:16pm
I want Shelton. He will be a stud and wants to be in cleveland
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Apr 30, 2015 9:23pm
I think we go Parker.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Apr 30, 2015 9:27pm
I can dig it.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 30, 2015 9:27pm
I like it
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 30, 2015 9:28pm
Stop the run yes.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 30, 2015 9:28pm
Stop the run! Super Bowl!
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Apr 30, 2015 9:28pm
COA....did you go from 6 to midnight?
For the record, I think its a good pick.
For the record, I think its a good pick.