sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 30, 2015 2:58pm
I'm not going to spend time looking up home articles about legacy players. Congrats on learning how to use google!
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 30, 2015 2:59pm
And their defense is known as the legion of boom; which is referencing the D-line. LOLBR1986FB;1725592 wrote:Nice response but it still doesn't change the fact that the Sea Chickens are one of the elite teams in the league and that's their model.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 30, 2015 2:59pm
They also built their team thru the draft, NOT by trading away their assets.BR1986FB;1725592 wrote:Nice response but it still doesn't change the fact that the Sea Chickens are one of the elite teams in the league and that's their model.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 30, 2015 2:59pm
Tom Brady.like_that;1725590 wrote:Yeah, just ignore the fact they had Vince willfork for 10 years lol fail.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 30, 2015 2:59pm
Legacy players? I thought Belichick got rid of Wilfork before winning this Super Bowl. I mean that is what you so eloquently stated and used it in your argument.sleeper;1725593 wrote:I'm not going to spend time looking up home articles about legacy players. Congrats on learning how to use google!
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 30, 2015 3:00pm
He's gone now. Your point?lhslep134;1725597 wrote:Legacy players? I thought Belichick got rid of Wilfork before winning this Super Bowl. I mean that is what you so eloquently stated and used it in your argument.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 30, 2015 3:00pm
Wilfork, such a key piece of winning the super bowl that we had to release him because we just want to be average next year. Grow up.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 30, 2015 3:03pm
Two seasons ago they were favorites to win the SB until they lost willfork. Sleeper I like most of your posts, but you are just out of touch with reality when it comes to the NFL. After reading your posts the last few years about the NFL/Browns, it has become pretty obvious you don't follow the league as much as you do with college fball.sleeper;1725596 wrote:Tom Brady.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Apr 30, 2015 3:04pm
slow day at work ladies?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 30, 2015 3:04pm
Agreed. Back to the cliches!like_that;1725600 wrote:Two seasons ago they were favorites to win the SB until they lost willfork. Sleeper I like most of your posts, but you are just out of touch with reality when it comes to the NFL. After reading your posts the last few years about the NFL/Browns, it has become pretty obvious you don't follow the league as much as you do with college fball.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 30, 2015 3:05pm
My point is your conclusion about Bill Belichick is flawed because you used a clearly erroneous fact to support your conclusion. Yet you continue to assert your conclusion is correct. That makes you delusional.sleeper;1725598 wrote:He's gone now. Your point?
So my point is that you're delusional and your continued attempt at spinning your incorrectness is further evidence of such delusion. And if you're delusional it invalidates your other arguments.
So I guess my main overarching point is that until you can get your delusional under control, you should avoid posting on a thread that encourages your delusion.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 30, 2015 3:08pm
FIND me that QB in this draft that doesn't require trading the picks an I'm ALL in. Too bad he's not there. They're either going to have to bite the bullet/roll the dice & trade up or use a pick on a QB with a track record via trade. You guys may like to watch "run the ball/play mediocre defense with a shitty QB and lose by 3 every week" football but I'm sick of it.like_that;1725595 wrote:They also built their team thru the draft, NOT by trading away their assets.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 30, 2015 3:11pm
Nobody knows who that QB is, that's typically why they go late.BR1986FB;1725606 wrote:FIND me that QB in this draft that doesn't require trading the picks an I'm ALL in. Too bad he's not there. They're either going to have to bite the bullet/roll the dice & trade up or use a pick on a QB with a track record via trade. You guys may like to watch "run the ball/play mediocre defense with a shitty QB and lose by 3 every week" football but I'm sick of it.
Also you're gonna get the same shit if you trade away a first for a highly overrated Bradford. Lose by 3 every week football, plus miss out on drafting a guy that actually would help the team.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Apr 30, 2015 3:15pm
He doesn't watch CFB either aside from OSU.like_that;1725600 wrote:Two seasons ago they were favorites to win the SB until they lost willfork. Sleeper I like most of your posts, but you are just out of touch with reality when it comes to the NFL. After reading your posts the last few years about the NFL/Browns, it has become pretty obvious you don't follow the league as much as you do with college fball.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 30, 2015 3:16pm
Help them what? Stop the run and lose by 7-10 instead of 3? I'd rather take a chance on what would be the best QB they've had, by FAR, since they returned in 99.like_that;1725609 wrote:Nobody knows who that QB is, that's typically why they go late.
Also you're gonna get the same shit if you trade away a first for a highly overrated Bradford. Lose by 3 every week football, plus miss out on drafting a guy that actually would help the team.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 30, 2015 3:16pm
Let's keep this discussion about the Browns and their need to stop the run to win multiple Super Bowls.Rotinaj;1725611 wrote:He doesn't watch CFB either aside from OSU.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 30, 2015 3:17pm
Or the NBA aside from maybe some Cavs gamesRotinaj;1725611 wrote:He doesn't watch CFB either aside from OSU.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 30, 2015 3:36pm
Lol you are basing that off a guy who wasn't played a game in over 557 games? He is a mediocre QB. He is worth a 6th at best.BR1986FB;1725612 wrote:Help them what? Stop the run and lose by 7-10 instead of 3? I'd rather take a chance on what would be the best QB they've had, by FAR, since they returned in 99.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Apr 30, 2015 4:14pm
I'll chime in on this debate.
Stopping the run is becoming increasingly less important to fielding a winning football team, but it doesn't mean its still not important.
You need your defense to be solid at all levels, having an amazing DL to stop the run, won't be shit if your LB's are terrible, and/or your weak in the Secondary. I'd much rather take the BPA on the defense, regardless of the position. Lets not pretend, that outside of the saftey position than the Browns defense couldn't be improved at every position.
Stopping the run is becoming increasingly less important to fielding a winning football team, but it doesn't mean its still not important.
You need your defense to be solid at all levels, having an amazing DL to stop the run, won't be shit if your LB's are terrible, and/or your weak in the Secondary. I'd much rather take the BPA on the defense, regardless of the position. Lets not pretend, that outside of the saftey position than the Browns defense couldn't be improved at every position.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 30, 2015 4:46pm
Based on what? Seahawks/Patriots were both top 10 in run defense last season.HighRoller74;1725627 wrote:I'll chime in on this debate.
Stopping the run is becoming increasingly less important to fielding a winning football team, but it doesn't mean its still not important.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 30, 2015 4:48pm
Ugh can we please STFU about this?
Let's talk about the damn draft, not 1999 Vince wilfork
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Let's talk about the damn draft, not 1999 Vince wilfork
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hangonsloopy
Posts: 1,291
Apr 30, 2015 5:07pm
I'm not a huge fan of trading up for Mariota but I'm tired of people saying they would "give up the farm" for him. Trading your second 1st this year(which you acquired for exactly this reason) and a first next year is not giving up the farm. Is it a lot? Sure. If they think he's gonna be great though it's a small price to pay.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Apr 30, 2015 5:09pm
The fact that it's a passing league now. Doesn't mean you have to abandon stopping the run, it's still important, but it's not any more important that any other aspect of your defense. If you can stop the run, but can't rush the QB, or have a poor pass defense, you're still going to get lit up. And vice versa, if you've got amazing DE's and DB's, but can't stop the run, they will run it down your throat.Commander of Awesome;1725632 wrote:Based on what? Seahawks/Patriots were both top 10 in run defense last season.
TL;DR version. A balanced defense, is much better than having one aspect being all-world.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 30, 2015 5:09pm
Fucking this!hangonsloopy;1725643 wrote:I'm not a huge fan of trading up for Mariota but I'm tired of people saying they would "give up the farm" for him. Trading your second 1st this year(which you acquired for exactly this reason) and a first next year is not giving up the farm. Is it a lot? Sure. If they think he's gonna be great though it's a small price to pay.
And besides, if he's good, and we have our QB for the next 10 years, and it's this time next year and we are coming off a winning season, are we really going to be mad about not having a first round pick?
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Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Apr 30, 2015 5:10pm
In fact all top 5 run D teams made the postseason. I understand that the league has became a primarily passing one, but you need a solid ground game to balance that out and be successfulCommander of Awesome;1725632 wrote:Based on what? Seahawks/Patriots were both top 10 in run defense last season.
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