Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 21, 2015 6:40pm
Having a QB really helps, but doesn't mean shit if you can't stop the run. Have a great QB? Saints, Falcons, Chargers did. Sat at home during the playoffs.HighRoller74;1723101 wrote:Doesn't really disprove my point, but Thanks.
Balt, NE, Sea, Pittsapuke, etc.... Stopped the fucking run and played during the playoffs. Can't have a bum behind center and hope to make the playoffs (Buffalo) but stopping the run is bigger necessity to making the playoffs than having an elite QB.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 21, 2015 6:45pm
Terry_Tate;1723098 wrote:
I don't think Johnny Football ever becomes a good NFL QB, but I do understand DeyDurkie's thought process at least.
Yeah I mean you can't really think JFF is going to be a viable NFL QB without using his video game numbers from college as part of the reason why.
It's pretty hard to figure out which SEC guys are going to pan out and which aren't. You have total studs crap out in the NFL (Mark Barron, Mo Claiborne) and then have guys fly under the radar before blowing up (Charles Johnson, Justin Houston)
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 21, 2015 6:58pm
I would never use college stats as my main point(footwedge). I was just saying his skill set, if he gets his mind right and starts the understand the game will make him dangerous.lhslep134;1723096 wrote:I actually agree with you from a skillset perspective based on what he showed in college. I get you're not saying "Manziel, bc SEC dominance!!" but it could have been interpreted that way.
I'm only concerned about the dude's professionalism and that's a debate that can't be resolved anytime soon.
My whole post was about his professionalism. If he can mature and understand it takes hard work to make it, I think he will make us better.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 21, 2015 7:02pm
Disagree on skillset. Not that fast, not that strong, doesn't have a strong arm, short, etc... What skillset are you seeing?DeyDurkie5;1723105 wrote:I would never use college stats as my main point(footwedge). I was just saying his skill set, if he gets his mind right and starts the understand the game will make him dangerous.
My whole post was about his professionalism. If he can mature and understand it takes hard work to make it, I think he will make us better.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 21, 2015 8:03pm
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Apr 21, 2015 8:13pm
Open the season Jets, Titans, Raiders. Could not ask for anything easier.
And then the rest of the schedule is brutal.
And then the rest of the schedule is brutal.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 21, 2015 8:14pm
No such thing as "easy" for these guys but definitely winnable games.Mulva;1723111 wrote:Open the season Jets, Titans, Raiders. Could not ask for anything easier.
And then the rest of the schedule is brutal.
Also a MNF meeting with the Rats and Thursday with the Bengals...
http://www.dawgpoundnation.com/2015/04/21/cleveland-browns-2015-schedule-announced/
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Apr 21, 2015 8:17pm
I can't believe the Browns got a home MNF game.
Browns realistically, barring a complete abortion at QB, could be 4-0 to start the year.
Browns realistically, barring a complete abortion at QB, could be 4-0 to start the year.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 21, 2015 8:26pm
Seattle is a loss no matter where it's played. San Fran is a win imo. I think they completely suck this year. Arizona at home helps a little.
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Apr 21, 2015 8:28pm
San Fran will be a complete mystery but yeah they could royally suck
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 21, 2015 8:46pm
The last time we said that was 4 years ago when we had the NFC West. We all know how that turned out lol.HighRoller74;1723113 wrote:I can't believe the Browns got a home MNF game.
Browns realistically, barring a complete abortion at QB, could be 4-0 to start the year.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Apr 21, 2015 9:00pm
Haha True story.
Sadly will probably end up 0-4 or 1-3
Sadly will probably end up 0-4 or 1-3
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 21, 2015 11:14pm
If we start the season 0-4 or 1-3 we will be picking first in the '16 draft lolHighRoller74;1723127 wrote:Haha True story.
Sadly will probably end up 0-4 or 1-3
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Apr 21, 2015 11:51pm
Yes we would. If we do, I hope they keep Pettine, and not start over, again. Continuity will be the only way we can build a winner here.SportsAndLady;1723173 wrote:If we start the season 0-4 or 1-3 we will be picking first in the '16 draft lol
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 22, 2015 9:24am
One thing I've noticed, and it's actually kind of refreshing, is that with the Cavs being relevant, there's not the usual buzz/hoopla for the NFL Draft in Cleveland.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 22, 2015 10:29am
I think the Browns go 8-8 at worst next year; realistically could win 10 games provided Manziel never plays a snap. If Manziel plays any more than 0 snaps, might as well call up Cardale and say "We are drafting you".
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Apr 22, 2015 11:34am
I see them starting 3-0 with that start. After that...you never know what confidence can do for a team.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 22, 2015 12:03pm
Manziel is awful and is the worst first round pick in a decade but cardale jones is it saviorsleeper;1723239 wrote:I think the Browns go 8-8 at worst next year; realistically could win 10 games provided Manziel never plays a snap. If Manziel plays any more than 0 snaps, might as well call up Cardale and say "We are drafting you".
/sleeper logic
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 22, 2015 12:09pm
I know you're not saying it but I'd like to see more than a game in a half from Manziel and three games from Cardale before I label one a bust and the other a HOFer.DeyDurkie5;1723269 wrote:Manziel is awful and is the worst first round pick in a decade but cardale jones is it savior
/sleeper logic
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 22, 2015 12:12pm
Browns logic is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Tried the strategy with Quinn and Weeden and somehow think Manziel will be any different. It's insanity.DeyDurkie5;1723269 wrote:Manziel is awful and is the worst first round pick in a decade but cardale jones is it savior
/sleeper logic
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 22, 2015 12:22pm
They are so desperate for a QB that they are going to keep going after them until they get a good one. That's why I'm cringing at these "trade both 1st's to move up for Mariota" rumors floating around. I know they are rumors and it's "silly season" but selling the farm for Mariota would be a mistake, imo. A) he'd be a very high draft pick who they invested a lot in so the temptatiion would be to throw him in the mix and b) I think he's a year away from being even close to ready to start unless it's in Chip Kelly's system.sleeper;1723276 wrote:Browns logic is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Tried the strategy with Quinn and Weeden and somehow think Manziel will be any different. It's insanity.
It seems like they've always "missed it by THAT much" as far as the franchise QB is concerned. They either get some meaningless late season wins that takes them out of contention for a blue chip QB or there are none available that year.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 22, 2015 12:26pm
Taking Mariota would be a mistake period.BR1986FB;1723278 wrote:They are so desperate for a QB that they are going to keep going after them until they get a good one. That's why I'm cringing at these "trade both 1st's to move up for Mariota" rumors floating around. I know they are rumors and it's "silly season" but selling the farm for Mariota would be a mistake, imo. A) he'd be a very high draft pick who they invested a lot in so the temptatiion would be to throw him in the mix and b) I think he's a year away from being even close to ready to start unless it's in Chip Kelly's system.
It seems like they've always "missed it by THAT much" as far as the franchise QB is concerned. They either get some meaningless late season wins that takes them out of contention for a blue chip QB or there are none available that year.
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Sonofanump
Apr 22, 2015 1:18pm
None of those three have the same skill set or do you mean they should never draft a QB?sleeper;1723276 wrote:Browns logic is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Tried the strategy with Quinn and Weeden and somehow think Manziel will be any different. It's insanity.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 22, 2015 1:26pm
Yeah so let's draft a QB based off of 3 college games, that should settle or problem.sleeper;1723276 wrote:Browns logic is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Tried the strategy with Quinn and Weeden and somehow think Manziel will be any different. It's insanity.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Apr 22, 2015 1:49pm
Well by the time Jones enters the draft he will be like 17-18 and zero and won two titles.DeyDurkie5;1723312 wrote:Yeah so let's draft a QB based off of 3 college games, that should settle or problem.