Commander of Awesome;1740991 wrote:So the 2 WRs get their deals done, 5 yr $70 mil. Justin Houston of the Chiefs gets 6 yrs, $101 million. YEah but let's draft 1st round WRs!!!


Rushing the passer > than catching passes.

I think we know which position the NFL considers a premium position. Pretty much backs up what I was saying during the draft and you guys were all, "boo hoo I want a super wr play maker!!!!"

+1, brings the lulz when somebody bitches about how the Browns didn't reach for a WR.

Commander of Awesome;1740991 wrote:So the 2 WRs get their deals done, 5 yr $70 mil. Justin Houston of the Chiefs gets 6 yrs, $101 million. YEah but let's draft 1st round WRs!!!


Rushing the passer > than catching passes.

I think we know which position the NFL considers a premium position. Pretty much backs up what I was saying during the draft and you guys were all, "boo hoo I want a super wr play maker!!!!"

If you didn't type like a little girl I would agree with you. But you sound like a douchebag

DeyDurkie5;1741001 wrote:If you didn't type like a little girl I would agree with you. But you sound like a douchebag

For a pothead, you're certainly high strung.

Looking forward to your next ginger/gay slur comment!

So the more that I think about it the more excited I get for the season and how I truly believe this team could make the playoffs and win the division of healthy.
1. We got a top 5 secondary and a much improved DL which should help stop the run
2. The offensive line got even better with Mack coming back and Erving.
3. We are better at wr than we were last year and we have some dependable guys who can catch the football.
4. As much as people hate on mccown he's a vet that knows his role and won't try to do too much. He knows he's gotta take care of the football and he doesn't have to force throws and make big plays. The ground game and o line will move the football.
5. We have 3 good running backs and west and Crow have experience now. And adding duke as a huge home run big play guy will be huge not only in the running game but in the passing game. A screen could easily go 70 yards for a touchdown with the ball in his hands he's that electric.

Should be a very interesting season. Just gotta stay healthy


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Crimson put down the kook aid. Same arguments you made for mccown are same for delhomme. He fucking sucks.

Commander of Awesome;1741036 wrote:Crimson put down the kook aid. Same arguments you made for mccown are same for delhomme. He fucking sucks.

I agree with him. Browns have a legit shot to be 10-6 11-5.

DeyDurkie5;1741105 wrote:I agree with him. Browns have a legit shot to be 10-6 11-5.

You say this every year.

On paper, the Browns schedule is light to start the year. Anything less than 3-1 to start the year; you might as well play madden, because the pipe dream of 10-11 wins won't be happening in real life.

I get what Crimson is saying though, I just have no faith in mccown. Hopefully the running game is as good as it was last year with Mack, and hopefully the defense will be improved and healthy. I could see this team being as competitive as last season (by that mean in the thick of things by late November) or things could get ugly quickly. Hopefully Shelton looks like a NFL player from day one and PT doesn't get hurt.

Crimson streak;1741019 wrote:So the more that I think about it the more excited I get for the season and how I truly believe this team could make the playoffs and win the division of healthy.
1. We got a top 5 secondary and a much improved DL which should help stop the run
2. The offensive line got even better with Mack coming back and Erving.
3. We are better at wr than we were last year and we have some dependable guys who can catch the football.
4. As much as people hate on mccown he's a vet that knows his role and won't try to do too much. He knows he's gotta take care of the football and he doesn't have to force throws and make big plays. The ground game and o line will move the football.
5. We have 3 good running backs and west and Crow have experience now. And adding duke as a huge home run big play guy will be huge not only in the running game but in the passing game. A screen could easily go 70 yards for a touchdown with the ball in his hands he's that electric.

Should be a very interesting season. Just gotta stay healthy


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1. agreed

2. agreed

3. meh....they still suck

4. If you get a better than 1:1 ratio of TD's to INT's out of McCown, it's a "win." He sucks. He sucked last year with a MUCH better WR corps in Tampa. This goes back to COA's "pass rusher vs WR" comments in this thread. Doesn't matter how good the WR's are until you get a legit QB. Just pissing in the wind.

5. Unproven. They all have "potential" but until we see consistency, I'm not saying they are "good." With this O-Line, a blindfolded monkey should be able to go for 1200 yards.

It should be an "interesting" season but I don't share your excitement. The defense should be legit but the offense will likely negate that. Just glad the Cavs had a great season so we weren't talking about these guys since the season ended.

DeyDurkie5;1741105 wrote:I agree with him. Browns have a legit shot to be 10-6 11-5.

Lol

Browns will win 5 games and we will draft another QB in the later rounds.

BR1986FB;1741117 wrote:1. agreed

2. agreed

3. meh....they still suck

4. If you get a better than 1:1 ratio of TD's to INT's out of McCown, it's a "win." He sucks. He sucked last year with a MUCH better WR corps in Tampa. This goes back to COA's "pass rusher vs WR" comments in this thread. Doesn't matter how good the WR's are until you get a legit QB. Just pissing in the wind.

5. Unproven. They all have "potential" but until we see consistency, I'm not saying they are "good." With this O-Line, a blindfolded monkey should be able to go for 1200 yards.

It should be an "interesting" season but I don't share your excitement. The defense should be legit but the offense will likely negate that. Just glad the Cavs had a great season so we weren't talking about these guys since the season ended.

Number 4 is unfair. His offensive line in Tampa was awful. Can't use the argument of better WRs to knock him down when the offensive line couldn't block anyone.

like_that;1741110 wrote:You say this every year.

On paper, the Browns schedule is light to start the year. Anything less than 3-1 to start the year; you might as well play madden, because the pipe dream of 10-11 wins won't be happening in real life.

I get what Crimson is saying though, I just have no faith in mccown. Hopefully the running game is as good as it was last year with Mack, and hopefully the defense will be improved and healthy. I could see this team being as competitive as last season (by that mean in the thick of things by late November) or things could get ugly quickly. Hopefully Shelton looks like a NFL player from day one and PT doesn't get hurt.

It's happening like that. I'll be sure to post this convo when it does.

DeyDurkie5;1741173 wrote:Number 4 is unfair. His offensive line in Tampa was awful. Can't use the argument of better WRs to knock him down when the offensive line couldn't block anyone.

Agree. I was actually thinking that it would be interesting to see what he could do with time to throw.

DeyDurkie5;1741173 wrote:Number 4 is unfair. His offensive line in Tampa was awful. Can't use the argument of better WRs to knock him down when the offensive line couldn't block anyone.

Fair point but until his "lightning in a bottle/13 TD's to 1 INT" season ender in Chicago, he's been pretty much shit. If you throw that outlier out of his career numbers, he has less TD's than INT's.

DeyDurkie5;1741173 wrote:Number 4 is unfair. His offensive line in Tampa was awful. Can't use the argument of better WRs to knock him down when the offensive line couldn't block anyone.

Sonofanump;1741176 wrote:Agree. I was actually thinking that it would be interesting to see what he could do with time to throw.

Use his entire career then. He's 3fucking5 years old. Outside of that 11 game stretch with the bears, he's a fucking awful QB. He must be the unluckiest 35 yr journeyman QB.

Jesus, Jake Delhomme was a better bet than this guy.

BR1986FB;1741177 wrote:Fair point but until his "lightning in a bottle/13 TD's to 1 INT" season ender in Chicago, he's been pretty much shit. If you throw that outlier out of his career numbers, he has less TD's than INT's.

This, a bum is a bum is a bum.

DeyDurkie5;1741174 wrote:It's happening like that. I'll be sure to post this convo when it does.

I would be perfectly ok with that.

Commander of Awesome;1741178 wrote:Use his entire career then. He's 3fucking5 years old. Outside of that 11 game stretch with the bears, he's a fucking awful QB. He must be the unluckiest 35 yr journeyman QB.

Jesus, Jake Delhomme was a better bet than this guy.

Someone's mad.

Commander of Awesome;1741178 wrote:Use his entire career then. He's 3fucking5 years old. Outside of that 11 game stretch with the bears, he's a fucking awful QB. He must be the unluckiest 35 yr journeyman QB.

Jesus, Jake Delhomme was a better bet than this guy.

He's 36.

DeyDurkie5;1741184 wrote:Someone's mad.

Nope, just laying out the facts.

The best chance the browns have of winning is running the ball consistently, (100yds + a game), and playing great defense. McCown ain't our savior. I'm a bigger believer in JFF not being a total POS than I am of McCown not sucking.

DeyDurkie5;1741174 wrote:It's happening like that. I'll be sure to post this convo when it does.

You won't remember, too many dead brain cells.

Defense will need to be top 5 in the league to win more than 6 IMO.

Commander of Awesome;1741178 wrote:Use his entire career then. He's 3fucking5 years old. Outside of that 11 game stretch with the bears, he's a fucking awful QB. He must be the unluckiest 35 yr journeyman QB.

Jesus, Jake Delhomme was a better bet than this guy.

not saying he'll be a top 20 QB, I think it will be interesting to see what he can do with time, he might suck less than he did last year, if he can be average, then I would attribute that to the offensive line.

Commander of Awesome;1741187 wrote:Nope, just laying out the facts.

The best chance the browns have of winning is running the ball consistently, (100yds + a game), and playing great defense. McCown ain't our savior. I'm a bigger believer in JFF not being a total POS than I am of McCown not sucking.

And they have the pieces to run the ball. Mccown knows he has to be a game manager. They aren't expecting him to be Tom Brady.

Commander of Awesome;1741188 wrote:You won't remember, too many dead brain cells.

That was hilarious! Pwn of the year ZOMG