2015 Browns Offseason Thread

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Aug 13, 2015 9:51 AM
Over the last 5 years, only 12 teams (out of 160) have won 3 or less games. The Browns won 7 last year. Whether you think they are better or worse than in 2014, is up for debate, but factoring in historical data for 3-win or less seasons combined with the performance of the 2014 Browns, I'd set the odds of the Browns winning 3 or less games at about 20:1.

So if I'm BR, I'd take a bet given those odds. Something like he bets $5 to win $100. Otherwise, he'd be a fool to bet at 4:1 odds even if he truly believes that will be the result.
Aug 13, 2015 9:51am
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Aug 13, 2015 10:55 AM
BR1986FB;1745663 wrote:Stopping the run will be very important but, with it being a "pass first" league, the pass rush may be just as important, if not more so.
Let's see...the Browns won 7 games last year with the 2nd ranked pass defense and the 31st ranked run defense and you think pass rush could be more important than run stopping?

LOL
Aug 13, 2015 10:55am
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Aug 13, 2015 11:05 AM
lhslep134;1745677 wrote:Let's see...the Browns won 7 games last year with the 2nd ranked pass defense and the 31st ranked run defense and you think pass rush could be more important than run stopping?

LOL
If their run defense was 2nd ranked I'd bet my ass their pass defense wouldn't be 2nd. You, being a "numbers" guy, should know that stats can be misleading.
Aug 13, 2015 11:05am
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Aug 13, 2015 11:11 AM
BR1986FB;1745679 wrote:If their run defense was 2nd ranked I'd bet my ass their pass defense wouldn't be 2nd. You, being a "numbers" guy, should know that stats can be misleading.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/glossary

Figure out what DVOA is, figure out why it's the most valuable metric for analysis in football, and then re-evaluate your response.
Aug 13, 2015 11:11am
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Aug 13, 2015 11:11 AM
Disappointed TP is out. Looking forward to the defense more than the offense, which will probably be the case all year.
Aug 13, 2015 11:11am
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Aug 13, 2015 5:25 PM
I just signed up for a PFF account. I am not sure why I didn't sign up before, this site was already awesome, but the premium content takes it to another level.
Aug 13, 2015 5:25pm
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Aug 13, 2015 7:14 PM
God iggy is pathetic. What a sad sad life he lives.
Aug 13, 2015 7:14pm
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Aug 13, 2015 7:57 PM
Game streaming anywhere tonight?
Aug 13, 2015 7:57pm
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Aug 13, 2015 8:03 PM
SportsAndLady;1745741 wrote:God iggy is pathetic. What a sad sad life he lives.
The part about starting Manziel is delusional.

Realistically, it would probably be the right thing to do but no coach in their right mind is going to do it if their job could be in jeopardy. If Pettine starts JFF and they win two games, looking horrible in the process, Haslam is still probably going to can him, regardless of his "we're not blowing it up" statement. At least with McCown, if they win 7 or 8, Pettine buys himself more time.

As fans, many would prefer starting JFF to see if has it or if he's terrible, you have your draft pick, but a head coach isn't going to think that way (usually).
Aug 13, 2015 8:03pm
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Aug 13, 2015 8:14 PM
Gilbert got burnt already, hopefully just jitters.
Aug 13, 2015 8:14pm
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Aug 13, 2015 8:24 PM
BR1986FB;1745749 wrote:The part about starting Manziel is delusional.

Realistically, it would probably be the right thing to do but no coach in their right mind is going to do it if their job could be in jeopardy. If Pettine starts JFF and they win two games, looking horrible in the process, Haslam is still probably going to can him, regardless of his "we're not blowing it up" statement. At least with McCown, if they win 7 or 8, Pettine buys himself more time.

As fans, many would prefer starting JFF to see if has it or if he's terrible, you have your draft pick, but a head coach isn't going to think that way (usually).
I disagree with that. Pettine is going to start whoever is better. He isn't thinking, "Well i can win 7 games with McCown and save me a year or two, or I can start JFF who sucks and win 3 games and get fired." He's just going to think, "I'm starting McCown, hes better."
Aug 13, 2015 8:24pm
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Aug 13, 2015 8:24 PM
McCown 5/5 with a TD on the first drive.
Aug 13, 2015 8:24pm
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Aug 13, 2015 8:24 PM
Hell of a first drive. McCown looked sharp.
Aug 13, 2015 8:24pm
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Aug 13, 2015 8:32 PM
Defense looks fine, minus Gilbert.
Aug 13, 2015 8:32pm
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Aug 13, 2015 8:34 PM
Gilbert looks to be in Mid Season form....
Aug 13, 2015 8:34pm
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Aug 13, 2015 8:37 PM
What is Gipsons status?
Aug 13, 2015 8:37pm
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Aug 13, 2015 8:38 PM
Gilbert going to be a bust?

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Aug 13, 2015 8:38pm
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Aug 13, 2015 8:38 PM
Smh never mind I found him.
Aug 13, 2015 8:38pm
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Aug 13, 2015 8:56 PM
Manziel with the rushing TD.
Aug 13, 2015 8:56pm
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Aug 13, 2015 8:56 PM
He looked a lot smarter with his feet those two series.
Aug 13, 2015 8:56pm
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Aug 13, 2015 8:57 PM
Yes he has.
Aug 13, 2015 8:57pm
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Aug 13, 2015 9:00 PM
It is good to have football back.
Aug 13, 2015 9:00pm
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Aug 13, 2015 9:04 PM
I like the all white jerseys
Aug 13, 2015 9:04pm
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Aug 13, 2015 9:11 PM
Gilbert is a boner. What a wasted pick. Shelton on the other hand is going to be a beast
Aug 13, 2015 9:11pm