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Aug 6, 2015 1:40 AM
You can call J Football a bust after 6 quarters
Aug 6, 2015 1:40am
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Aug 6, 2015 2:20 AM
Laley23;1744512 wrote:My only contribution to this debate. How can someone be in love with Shelton and lost articles stating how he is impressing/looking good and will be a force for the D-Line etc, yet say it's too early to call Gilbert a bust?

If you say it's too early/too early in TC to make a judgement, it goes across the board and the other way.
With Rookies, you want to see good habits (IE staying late etc....) That's a good sign, he should continue to do this and hopefully this will lead him to being a good player. No one is taking TC reports of Shelton and going ZOMG he's going to be an all pro next Ngata!

What Dawgpound Nation was doing was saying "ZOMG Hartline sucks and will be cut!!!" Or BR going "ZOMG Desir was practicing ahead of Gilbert(#8 overall pick last season), Gilbert fucking sucks and should be out of the league. Fuck Farmer he sucks and should be fired". 1 week into TC.

That's the difference, does that help clear it up?
Aug 6, 2015 2:20am
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Aug 6, 2015 2:24 AM
BR1986FB;1744486 wrote:That's exactly what you're doing, Orange & Brown apologist. Mingo & Gilbert aren't "ok" players. In fact, when their rookie contracts are up, they will be lucky to still be in the league. Gilbert MIGHT have a future as a returner if he wasn't such a damn diva and would play special teams ("I don't do punts. I won't return them.")
Where are you getting this "I wont return punts" narrative? It's certainty not from Gilbert, he's always said he'll do whatever he can to help the team.

In fact, HEADLINE of article, "Cornerback Justin Gilbert eager for opportunity to return kicks for Cleveland Browns "

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/06/cornerback_justin_gilbert_eage.html
Aug 6, 2015 2:24am
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Aug 6, 2015 5:26 AM
lhslep134;1744497 wrote:He's completely reaching IQQY levels here.

BR, get a fucking grip you're blinded by your anger in people calling you out on Weeden.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/02/09/sig-stats-pass-rushing-productivity-edge-defenders/

Even if Mingo isn't great, he was our most productive edge rusher last year on a per snap basis. Even if that's not overall productiveness, it is irrefutably, at a minimum, not "shitty".
I really don't give a fuck about Weeden. I admitted I was wrong about him and I'm long over it.

As I said, the only reason I brought him up was because of the OC hypocrites ready to deem one player a bust, before he took a snap, over another who was a top 10 pick and can't get on the field. I can excuse you younger guys though, because you're used to this culture of losing and accept top 10 "impact" players as "contributors." Some of us want/expect more. I think this site in the only group of nuthuggers who think Gilbert actually has something.
Aug 6, 2015 5:26am
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Aug 6, 2015 6:08 AM
BR1986FB;1744521 wrote:I really don't give a fuck about Weeden. I admitted I was wrong about him and I'm long over it.

As I said, the only reason I brought him up was because of the OC hypocrites ready to deem one player a bust, before he took a snap, over another who was a top 10 pick and can't get on the field. I can excuse you younger guys though, because you're used to this culture of losing and accept top 10 "impact" players as "contributors." Some of us want/expect more. I think this site in the only group of nuthuggers who think Gilbert actually has something.
Yup, you're last few posts have solidified for me that you are trying to hard. Weeden is gone, get over it.

Please continue to ignore all the reasoning and logic thrown at you though.
Aug 6, 2015 6:08am
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Aug 6, 2015 7:18 AM
I'm sure it's my eternal optimism for the Browns, but does anyone else get the feeling this team is finally turning a corner?
Aug 6, 2015 7:18am
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Aug 6, 2015 7:34 AM
Laley23;1744512 wrote:My only contribution to this debate. How can someone be in love with Shelton and lost articles stating how he is impressing/looking good and will be a force for the D-Line etc, yet say it's too early to call Gilbert a bust?

If you say it's too early/too early in TC to make a judgement, it goes across the board and the other way.
There's a difference between liking what a rookie is saying and doing, and thinking he's going to be all-pro.

Also, I've actually seen Gilbert in NFL games. He struggled for sure, but you saw some good things out of him that has me convinced he's just going to be a late bloomer. Maybe I'm wrong. It's MY OPINION. I think that's the other thing too: we are allowed to have our opinions.

BR was so butthurt about weeden but all that was, was most of us having the opinion that he was going to be a bust. And he was lol and that offended him so much that now he's straight gone off his meds and reaching iggy levels.
Aug 6, 2015 7:34am
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Aug 6, 2015 7:37 AM
BR1986FB;1744521 wrote:I really don't give a fuck about Weeden. I admitted I was wrong about him and I'm long over it.

As I said, the only reason I brought him up was because of the OC hypocrites ready to deem one player a bust, before he took a snap, over another who was a top 10 pick and can't get on the field. I can excuse you younger guys though, because you're used to this culture of losing and accept top 10 "impact" players as "contributors." Some of us want/expect more. I think this site in the only group of nuthuggers who think Gilbert actually has something.
Lol yeah because you "older" folk are just swimming in Super Bowls. Us younger guys just only know losing teams so we can't formulate a correct opinion on the team and our players.

Give me a fucking break. Go join iggy on his thread for christ's sake.
Aug 6, 2015 7:37am
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Aug 6, 2015 7:37 AM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1744528 wrote:I'm sure it's my eternal optimism for the Browns, but does anyone else get the feeling this team is finally turning a corner?
Yes. Just need to hit on a QB and we are good to go.
Aug 6, 2015 7:37am
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Aug 6, 2015 8:00 AM
like_that;1744523 wrote:Yup, you're last few posts have solidified for me that you are trying to hard. Weeden is gone, get over it.

Please continue to ignore all the reasoning and logic thrown at you though.
No, I think that it's you who is trying "too" hard. Weeden's gone and an afterthought. I honestly think that you believe that I sit around all day thinking about Weeden or something. Dude sucks and he's GONE. Until he's a Brown, there's nothing to talk about. I told you the only reason I brought him up. For the most part, the only time he's brought up is when one of you numb nuts wants to take your cutesy little backhanded swipe at me because I thought he'd amount to something. I felt the same about Derek Anderson but you don't see me talking about him. Like I said, I only brought him up to point out how you guys are a bunch of hypocrites.
Aug 6, 2015 8:00am
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Aug 6, 2015 8:35 AM
BR1986FB;1744537 wrote:No, I think that it's you who is trying "too" hard. Weeden's gone and an afterthought. I honestly think that you believe that I sit around all day thinking about Weeden or something. Dude sucks and he's GONE. Until he's a Brown, there's nothing to talk about. I told you the only reason I brought him up. For the most part, the only time he's brought up is when one of you numb nuts wants to take your cutesy little backhanded swipe at me because I thought he'd amount to something. I felt the same about Derek Anderson but you don't see me talking about him. Like I said, I only brought him up to point out how you guys are a bunch of hypocrites.
"He's only brought up when one of you numb nuts want to take a backhanded swipe at me!"

"I only brought him up to point out how you guys are a bunch of hypocrites!"

.....Yeah.....
Aug 6, 2015 8:35am
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Aug 6, 2015 8:40 AM
BR1986FB;1744537 wrote:No, I think that it's you who is trying "too" hard. Weeden's gone and an afterthought. I honestly think that you believe that I sit around all day thinking about Weeden or something. Dude sucks and he's GONE. Until he's a Brown, there's nothing to talk about. I told you the only reason I brought him up. For the most part, the only time he's brought up is when one of you numb nuts wants to take your cutesy little backhanded swipe at me because I thought he'd amount to something. I felt the same about Derek Anderson but you don't see me talking about him. Like I said, I only brought him up to point out how you guys are a bunch of hypocrites.
You were the first one to mention weeden when you started to bring up Gilbert LOL.
Aug 6, 2015 8:40am
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Aug 6, 2015 8:42 AM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1744528 wrote:I'm sure it's my eternal optimism for the Browns, but does anyone else get the feeling this team is finally turning a corner?
Yes, but unfortunately I don't think it will reflect our record this year. I think they are making good moves, just need to find that fucking QB. I just hope haslem doesn't get trigger happy with firing the FO.
Aug 6, 2015 8:42am
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Aug 6, 2015 8:53 AM
like_that;1744547 wrote:You were the first one to mention weeden when you started to bring up Gilbert LOL.
Ok, the same thing could be said for Manziel. He was deemed a bust by several before he took a snap yet Gilbert gets a pass. Same thing, different QB. The whole point was hypocritical nature of some.
Aug 6, 2015 8:53am
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Aug 6, 2015 8:55 AM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1744528 wrote:I'm sure it's my eternal optimism for the Browns, but does anyone else get the feeling this team is finally turning a corner?
Not until they get a QB. If they keep eeking out 5-6 win seasons, they won't be in a position to get that QB. Either Manziel is going to need to pan out or they need an epically dismal season to ensure a top 3 pick.
Aug 6, 2015 8:55am
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Aug 6, 2015 9:01 AM
BR1986FB;1744549 wrote:Ok, the same thing could be said for Manziel. He was deemed a bust by several before he took a snap yet Gilbert gets a pass. Same thing, different QB. The whole point was hypocritical nature of some.
I'm sorry but do you not understand the difference between having an opinion on a rookie before taking the field, and having an opinion on a second year player after watching actual NFL game tape?

It appears you don't. Just checking.
Aug 6, 2015 9:01am
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Aug 6, 2015 9:06 AM
BR1986FB;1744521 wrote:I really don't give a fuck about Weeden. I admitted I was wrong about him and I'm long over it.

As I said, the only reason I brought him up was because of the OC hypocrites ready to deem one player a bust, before he took a snap, over another who was a top 10 pick and can't get on the field. I can excuse you younger guys though, because you're used to this culture of losing and accept top 10 "impact" players as "contributors." Some of us want/expect more. I think this site in the only group of nuthuggers who think Gilbert actually has something.
Your exact words were
BR1986FB;1744404 wrote:If a dude sucks, a dude sucks...Mingo sucks
That is a completely ignorant statement, as shown by my previous post addressed to you.

So either you purposely chose to make that ignorant statement, or you were so seething mad at us giving you shit that you responded ignorantly.

Curious to see how you'll spin THIS post to make it about Gilbert, just like you did my last one.
Aug 6, 2015 9:06am
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Aug 6, 2015 9:09 AM
SportsAndLady;1744530 wrote:. Go join iggy on his thread for christ's sake.
I second that
Aug 6, 2015 9:09am
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Aug 6, 2015 9:09 AM
"Fuck all of you guys who called me wrong on weeden! You guys were right! I'm so butthurt about it, I'm going to call Mingo sucky! And Gilbert sucky!"

With every post, BR comes off more and more like a grumpy old man who is losing his Browns fan hood because he can't handle the losing.
Aug 6, 2015 9:09am
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Aug 6, 2015 9:10 AM
Can we get back to Browns discussion? You guys sound like a bunch of women!

Who do you think will see more playing time this year? Mccown or Johnny?
Aug 6, 2015 9:10am
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Aug 6, 2015 9:22 AM
lhslep134;1744552 wrote:Your exact words were
That is a completely ignorant statement, as shown by my previous post addressed to you.

So either you purposely chose to make that ignorant statement, or you were so seething mad at us giving you shit that you responded ignorantly.

Curious to see how you'll spin THIS post to make it about Gilbert, just like you did my last one.
Mingo DOES suck. Top 10 pick who is going to get beat out by an undrafted player at the position but it's "ok" as long as he's a "contributor." We don't need no stinkin' impact players with our top 10 picks, just contributors!
Aug 6, 2015 9:22am
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Aug 6, 2015 9:25 AM
BR1986FB;1744557 wrote:Mingo DOES suck. Top 10 pick who is going to get beat out by an undrafted player at the position but it's "ok" as long as he's a "contributor." We don't need no stinkin' impact players with our top 10 picks, just contributors!
You're fucking delusional.
Aug 6, 2015 9:25am
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Aug 6, 2015 9:26 AM
MontyBrunswick;1744556 wrote:Can we get back to Browns discussion? You guys sound like a bunch of women!

Who do you think will see more playing time this year? Mccown or Johnny?
Yes. I'm done with BR. Here's to him joining iggys thread.
Aug 6, 2015 9:26am
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Aug 6, 2015 9:28 AM
MontyBrunswick;1744556 wrote:Can we get back to Browns discussion? You guys sound like a bunch of women!

Who do you think will see more playing time this year? Mccown or Johnny?

i'm hoping johnny. If it means Johnny, then we're probably playing pretty well.
Aug 6, 2015 9:28am
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Aug 6, 2015 9:29 AM
I want to see how Mccown looks in some preseason action before I'm officially calling for manziel. But I do hope JFF can turn it around so I'm hoping its him.
Aug 6, 2015 9:29am