SportsAndLady;1683951 wrote:I struggle to read articles that say "hoyer looked like the future a few weeks ago"

He has never been the future.

Agreed. I don't think he's ever been pegged as the future.

I don't think "the" QB to lead this team deep into the playoffs and possibly a Super Bowl berth is currently on the roster. The results of this season will be as good or better than I think most thought back in August.

rrfan;1683957 wrote:The Browns D should be pissed they played great yesterday and should have gotten a win. However, all you that want Johnny...lets see how long that last. Put the boy in I think nobody will like what they see in a few weeks.

With me, it's not a "all you that want Johnny thing" as much as it's an "anybody but Hoyer thing." Right now, Hoyer is Weeden-like in his performances. Watching the last few weeks where these games were winnable and Pettine stuck with Hoyer has made me sick. I wasn't actually a full blown "start JFF" guy. I wanted to see them add wrinkles/packages with Manziel involved to keep defenses on their toes. Especially in the red zone.

Yesterday, per usual, Hoyer's nuts shriveled up in the red zone and he throws a "Red Right 88" pass in triple coverage that gets picked. If he throws that away, I'm not 100% that Cundiff makes that FG but it was essentially an extra point. It was 2nd & 6. Manziel at least gives you the threat of running in that situation that the defense has to account for.

And Hoyer's "it's not a 'me' thing, it's a 'we' thing" excuse when the offense fizzles is bullshit. It's one thing when the offense is screwing up ALL around but it's completely another when YOU'RE the cause and won't man up to it. The dude is truly delusional. He sucks yet he's still riding with that "WE blew a golden opportunity" bullshit. No, Brian YOU blew it. Make 1 or 2 more plays to keep the clock running and that's a win. He had forever and a day to throw and he still wasn't seeing the field.

When he missed those two deep balls to Gabriel & Gordon, I was asking myself "does Manziel complete those throws?" I don't know whether he does or not but I bet the ball would at least have been in the same area code.

Hoyer has just left too many points on the field for my liking.

I feel like Hoyer and Pettine (stubborness) screwed over the defense in one of their best efforts since they returned in 1999.

I have no idea whether Manziel will be the savior but I'd at least like to get a look after we've seen that Hoyer has reverted back to his 3rd string self.

And it also wouldn't shock me if Pettine went with Hoyer this week using the "he has had success against Cincinnati" excuse.

BR1986FB;1683944 wrote:I really like Pettine as the head coach but if he somehow justifies trotting Hoyer out there against Cincuinnati, Jimmy Haslam needs to take a long, hard look at his decision making. If this happens, wouldn't completely shock me if Pettine was "one and done." Yeah, that sounds friggin nuts considering they have 7 wins but nothing would shock me with Haslam. I'm not saying it's GOING to happen. It just wouldn't surprise me.

LOL.

Zero chance:

like_that;1683978 wrote:LOL.

Zero chance:

It's unbelievable BR's extreme overreactions after every game, win or lose lol

Pettines D has been great. His handling of the clock, QB, and RB situation has been terrible.


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bases_loaded;1683981 wrote:Pettines D has been great. His handling of the clock, QB, and RB situation has been terrible.


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That's why I don't think it would be too far fetched for Haslam to get rid of him if he sticks with Hoyer and this slide continues.

Yeah, it sounds crazy because they have 7 wins but if they completely implode these last 3 games, I could see it. Haslam had no issue with making Chudzinski "one and done" and it's obvious that Pettine wasn't the Browns first choice. If one of the guys they had coveted becomes available, who knows?

BR1986FB;1683986 wrote:That's why I don't think it would be too far fetched for Haslam to get rid of him if he sticks with Hoyer and this slide continues.

Yeah, it sounds crazy because they have 7 wins but if they completely implode these last 3 games, I could see it. Haslam had no issue with making Chudzinski "one and done" and it's obvious that Pettine wasn't the Browns first choice. If one of the guys they had coveted becomes available, who knows?

Just stop.

lol no fucking way Pettine get axed. That would be idiotic. He's done a hell of a lot better than most expected.


With Schefter reporting that Hoyer won't be back next year (of course no legit sources), why not just sit him for the rest of the year?

Automatik;1683993 wrote:lol no fucking way Pettine get axed. That would be idiotic. He's done a hell of a lot better than most expected.

A) most people thought Chudzinski would get a second year last year too, B) if this team goes from 7-4 to 7-9, and Pettine sticks with Hoyer, I'd say all bets are off and C) it's the Browns so, again, nothing would surprise me. I don't THINK it will happen but nothing would surprise me with Haslam.

It's obvious that Pettine is a good coach....with both #1 draft picks contributing minimally, he and his staff have coached this team up to relevance in December.
While he seems to be great in coaching fundamentals and getting his players ready to play week to week, his in-game skills as a head coach are lacking...or at least rookie-esque. He has committed several bone head moves and displayed awful clock management throughout the season that have cost the team dearly. Tremendous credit should be given to him and his staff for throttling Andrew Luck and the Colt's potent offense for 95% of the game. Credit a great special teams game (sans Cundiff), too. But what happened on the other side of the ball can only be described as cluster f*** that was fueled by his own bull headed stubborness.

It didn't take a genius to look at the offense performance yesterday, and realize that it wasn't working...Hoyer wasn't working. But in the true definition of insanity, he kept doing the same things over and over, even in the face of multiple 3 and outs. Moreover, if making the playoffs were really a priority, how do you look at Hoyer's performance, and come to the conclusion that this guy is going to lead you to the playoffs, let alone take you deep into the playoffs versus quality teams????
Not only was his performance abyssmal, it was against an absolutely terrible defense. Hoyer should have been pulled mid way thru the 3rd quarter, if not earlier..... Just another bone head, in game move to add to Pettine's resume.

HitsRus;1683998 wrote:It's obvious that Pettine is a good coach....with both #1 draft picks contributing minimally, he and his staff have coached this team up to relevance in December.
While he seems to be great in coaching fundamentals and getting his players ready to play week to week, his in-game skills as a head coach are lacking...or at least rookie-esque. He has committed several bone head moves and displayed awful clock management throughout the season that have cost the team dearly. Tremendous credit should be given to him and his staff for throttling Andrew Luck and the Colt's potent offense for 95% of the game. Credit a great special teams game (sans Cundiff), too. But what happened on the other side of the ball can only be described as cluster f*** that was fueled by his own bull headed stubborness.

It didn't take a genius to look at the offense performance yesterday, and realize that it wasn't working...Hoyer wasn't working. But in the true definition of insanity, he kept doing the same things over and over, even in the face of multiple 3 and outs. Moreover, if making the playoffs were really a priority, how do you look at Hoyer's performance, and come to the conclusion that this guy is going to lead you to the playoffs, let alone take you deep into the playoffs versus quality teams????
Not only was his performance abyssmal, it was against an absolutely terrible defense. Hoyer should have been pulled mid way thru the 3rd quarter, if not earlier..... Just another bone head, in game move to add to Pettine's resume.

Well said Hits. Great analysis. The defense has made tremendous strides this season and I'm excited as hell about that.

Honestly I could see Pettine get axed ONLY If they can get harbough. I think that is the only way that happens

Con_Alma;1683960 wrote:Agreed. I don't think he's ever been pegged as the future.

I don't think "the" QB to lead this team deep into the playoffs and possibly a Super Bowl berth is currently on the roster. The results of this season will be as good or better than I think most thought back in August.

You keep chirping this post after post after post. The Browns management vehemently disagree with you based on the fact that they invested a number 1 draft choice on Manziel. I was at the local donut shop this morning and this fat fuck was saying that it will be a lot worse with Manziel starting. You people crack me up.

Pettine has painted himself into a corner. He's now in a lose lose situation. If he starts Manziel, it will painfully obvious that he has fucked up the entire season when Johnny outplays Hoyer. And if Johnny somehow plays worse than Hoyer, (snowballs chance in hell), then OMG he will be on the hot seat at the end of the season. He made his bed and now he has to lay in it.

Crimson streak;1684012 wrote:Honestly I could see Pettine get axed ONLY If they can get harbough. I think that is the only way that happens

Not necessarily Harbaugh, but these were my thoughts when I posted what I did. Do I think Haslam would can Pettine without a plan in place? No, but if there's some head coach that he'd really want (i.e. Harbaugh), and Pettine stays the course with Hoyer, Pettine might make his decision easy.

Footwedge;1684015 wrote:You keep chirping this post after post after post. The Browns management vehemently disagree with you based on the fact that they invested a number 1 draft choice on Manziel. I was at the local donut shop this morning and this fat fuck was saying that it will be a lot worse with Manziel starting. You people crack me up.

Even if Manziel is "so so" throwing the ball, what he can do with his feet is going to create opportunities for the offense. I'm not saying he's going to "wreck the league" but I can't imagine he could make things much worse (offensively) for them.

And I'm sure it's been mentioned but if this Jay Glazer report about JFF not getting the start against Indy because he was at the Cavs game Tuesday night is true, Pettine is a schmuck.

Keep up the chudzinski references BR. Really making me laugh and I need that on a shitty rainy Monday morning.

When is Joe Thomas going to weigh in on this weeks starting QB?

Johnny could show up drunk with a stripper on each arm and manage to do better than 14/31 for 140 and 2 int.

Anyone worried that he could be worse doesn't realize how bad it has already gotten. He would have to be historically be bad to be a downgrade at this point from what Hoyer is giving this team.

I am just happy that Pettine's honeymoon is over because people are freaking pissed right now as to what he personally allowed to occur at CBS yesterday.

SportsAndLady;1684025 wrote:Keep up the chudzinski references BR. Really making me laugh and I need that on a shitty rainy Monday morning.

As usual, bringing nothing to the table.

Haslam has shown he's got a hair trigger. If someone like a Harbaugh, etc became available and Pettine stubbornly stuck with Hoyer (team ending up 7-9, after 7-4 at one point), I don't think Haslam pulling the trigger would be a shocker. Haslam has already shown he's not exactly a man of patience when it comes to winning and Pettine (along with Hoyer) left a few wins on the table this year.

It's funny how someone can bring a thought to the table and it's interpreted to mean "ohhh, BR thinks they are going to fire Pettine." I never said that. Haslam has a track record of pulling the plug on things quickly. Yeah, the 7 wins are better but the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" kind of league and if what has been done lately is ending the year on a 5-6 game losing streak, I'm sure Haslam's thoughts could change on Pettine.

Haha....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2293155-johnny-manziel-appears-more-than-ready-to-replace-brian-hoyer?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

If they continue to go with Hoyer this week, I think we've REALLY got to question Johnny's knowledge of the offense, because that is the ONLY way they continue to trot Hoyer out there. Might as well see what Johnny has so we know whether we need to take a QB in the first next year... And the cycle continues...,

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1684038 wrote:If they continue to go with Hoyer this week, I think we've REALLY got to question Johnny's knowledge of the offense, because that is the ONLY way they continue to trot Hoyer out there. Might as well see what Johnny has so we know whether we need to take a QB in the first next year... And the cycle continues...,

If they don't play Manziel and use a 1st on a QB in 2015, I'd be questioning the front office.

BR1986FB;1684040 wrote:If they don't play Manziel and use a 1st on a QB in 2015, I'd be questioning the front office.

I wouldn't necessarily question them, simply because I don't believe he's a long-term solution. However, it does make sense to see what he's got.

BR1986FB;1684027 wrote:As usual, bringing nothing to the table.

Haslam has shown he's got a hair trigger. If someone like a Harbaugh, etc became available and Pettine stubbornly stuck with Hoyer (team ending up 7-9, after 7-4 at one point), I don't think Haslam pulling the trigger would be a shocker. Haslam has already shown he's not exactly a man of patience when it comes to winning and Pettine (along with Hoyer) left a few wins on the table this year.

It's funny how someone can bring a thought to the table and it's interpreted to mean "ohhh, BR thinks they are going to fire Pettine." I never said that. Haslam has a track record of pulling the plug on things quickly. Yeah, the 7 wins are better but the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" kind of league and if what has been done lately is ending the year on a 5-6 game losing streak, I'm sure Haslam's thoughts could change on Pettine.

Haslam is not going to want to deal with the same clusterfuck he experienced last off season. Not to mention the players have much respect for Pettine and the FO. They had little to no respect for chud and the FO last year. You must be listening to Cleveland radio a lot lately if you actually believe what you are posting.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1684042 wrote:I wouldn't necessarily question them, simply because I don't believe he's a long-term solution. However, it does make sense to see what he's got.

If they burned another 1st rounder on a QB, I'd be questioning their talent evaluating skills. You don't just draft a QB, play him 3 games and say "he's no good. We need another one" unless he's Ryan Leaf Part 2.