The Browns essentially STILL control their own destiny. A win next weekend, they are 8-6 with a head to head left against Baltimore. They could potentially be 9-6 and have that game, for minimum, the playoffs. Likely, the division, if the Steelers drop another game.

The team who really has the upper edge is Baltimore, who should easily handle Jacksonville next week and COULD get a hapless Browns team in week 17, if Cleveland fizzles the next few weeks. The only thing that hurts Baltimore is that the Steelers, at 10-6, would already win the tiebreaker over them as the Ravens are 1-4 in the North.

Azubuike24;1683885 wrote:The Browns essentially STILL control their own destiny. A win next weekend, they are 8-6 with a head to head left against Baltimore. They could potentially be 9-6 and have that game, for minimum, the playoffs. Likely, the division, if the Steelers drop another game.

The team who really has the upper edge is Baltimore, who should easily handle Jacksonville next week and COULD get a hapless Browns team in week 17, if Cleveland fizzles the next few weeks. The only thing that hurts Baltimore is that the Steelers, at 10-6, would already win the tiebreaker over them as the Ravens are 1-4 in the North.

The Ravens are 2-3 aren't they?

If Steelers lose to Cincy they will probably lose the tie-breaker with Baltimore....if they win the Cincy game then they'll be golden in most tie-breakers....even more so if they defeat the Chiefs.

GoChiefs;1683872 wrote:Hopefully, since the season is over for Wedgie, he'll stop posting on Browns threads. Someone should go start the Official 2015 Manziel Thread so he will have somewhere to post.

Why don't you just ban me from the thread the way you usually do?

You know all year long, only IggyPride and I had it right regarding the quarterback. The Hoyer apologists are now dropping like flies. Everyone's following me. I feel like the Pied Piper.

Oh, you'll have a few people like jmuck and Al Turdy chime in with "well. they would be worse had Manziel played". Watch and see. To those that actually think Manziel would be the 29th rated quarterback or worse today, sell someone else a Brooklyin Bridge.

Azubuike24;1683885 wrote:The Browns essentially STILL control their own destiny.

They don't control shit. Even if they run the table, they would need 2 Steeler losses and another Bengals loss against someone else. Since the Bengals play Pittsburgh, the task is nearly impossible. Did I mention Baltimore has to lose again?

Uh....I think Cleveland running the table would take care of Baltimore losing again.

BR1986FB;1683860 wrote:Hopefully this Hoyer experiment ends today. I'm really sick of his passive/aggressive throwing his offensive teammates under the bus in post game press conferences.

He's a primadonna and would be president of his own fan club if he could be. He's been doing this all season. He is the first guy to take credit and puff his chest out when times are good, and it is everyone elses fault when things go bad.

Earlier in the season when he and his agent were negotiating through the media for a contract extension after good games and dropped that dime about not coming back unless Johnny was gone was totally accurate. Some chose not to believe the rumor, but I think people are seeing now how big a prick he is as his true colors have finally been revealed for the world.

The sad part is that Pettine had to get in on the action and allowed him to drag the entire organization down.

Pettine keeps saying it is a bottom line business, and yet kept trotting Hoyer out there no matter how bad he was. There is a disconnect there.

Footwedge;1683901 wrote:They don't control shit. Even if they run the table, they would need 2 Steeler losses and another Bengals loss against someone else. Since the Bengals play Pittsburgh, the task is nearly impossible. Did I mention Baltimore has to lose again?

If the browns ran the table, and the steelers lose to Bengals, the browns finish ahead of them because of division record.

While I've been supportive of Hoyer remaining the Browns QB, even I am ready to make a switch. Today was the last straw. We should be on a 7-game winning streak if you go back and look at winnable games despite horrendous QB play. Today, more than ever, Hoyer showed that he's not a starting QB in this league by losing a game where his defense spotted him 2 TD's and 4 turnovers. While I DO NOT think that Manziel is the long term answer, I definitely think he's the only answer for the rest of the season at this point, and even JoeGOAThomas can't argue that.

Al Bundy;1683911 wrote:If the browns ran the table, and the steelers lose to Bengals, the browns finish ahead of them because of division record.

oh my god retardwedge provided another moment of actual stupidity. thank you message board gods

Footwedge;1683901 wrote:They don't control shit. Even if they run the table, they would need 2 Steeler losses and another Bengals loss against someone else. Since the Bengals play Pittsburgh, the task is nearly impossible. Did I mention Baltimore has to lose again?

If the browns ran the table, and the steelers lose to Bengals, the browns finish ahead of them because of division record.

Are the breowns mathematically eliminated yet? Can someone help me out? Footwedge?

Al Bundy;1683911 wrote:If the browns ran the table, and the steelers lose to Bengals, the browns finish ahead of them because of division record.

You're wrong Turdy. Bengals would have to lose another game. They are 1.5 games ahead of the Browns right now. As it stands, the Browns need a shitload of help.

lhslep134;1683914 wrote:oh my god retardwedge provided another moment of actual stupidity. thank you message board gods

Don't teach statistics in law school do they Shemp??

The Browns will win the Division if.....

They run the table which obviously includes beating the Bengals next week...AND..the Bengals lose at home to Denver...AND...then the Bengals beat Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh.

That's the easiest scenario, but they could also get if some ridiculous other scenarios play out. Start Hoyer next week PLEASE and put the fans out of their misery.

DeRon Cherry was saying tonight that the Browns were upset that Manziel went to the Cavs game this week. I see their point. First, the guy stays up after midnight and now he supports the local pro basketball team. Enough his enough I tell ya.

Time to call Spergyn Winn or maybe Thaddeus Lewis can string em up against the Bengals.

All those people calling in last week pronouncing Pettine's q'back decision as "the right call" should be permanently bant from the air waves. Got the alarm set 6 AM...need me some Chuck Booms tomorrow to get the blood boiling.

Was at the game today with great seats on the 45 yard line and I had a great view of the Bryan Horror show. There were dirtballs, air balls, a couple of picks...just as advertised.

Footwedge;1683923 wrote:You're wrong Turdy. Bengals would have to lose another game. They are 1.5 games ahead of the Browns right now. As it stands, the Browns need a shitload of help.

I never said that would give them the division. I was responding to you saying the Steelers needed to lose twice. Once again, you are wrong.

Al Bundy;1683932 wrote:I never said that would give them the division. I was responding to you saying the Steelers needed to lose twice. Once again, you are wrong.

It was pretty clear what you said...what you said was wrong...lick your wounds and move along.

Footwedge;1683933 wrote:It was pretty clear what you said...what you said was wrong...lick your wounds and move along.

I said if the steelers loss was in the division and the browns won out that the browns finish ahead of them based upon division record. I'm sorry that these tiebreakers confuse you so much. The first tiebreaker is head-to-head, and that would be a push. The next tiebreaker is division record, and the browns would have the advantage 4-2 > 3-3.

I really like Pettine as the head coach but if he somehow justifies trotting Hoyer out there against Cincuinnati, Jimmy Haslam needs to take a long, hard look at his decision making. If this happens, wouldn't completely shock me if Pettine was "one and done." Yeah, that sounds friggin nuts considering they have 7 wins but nothing would shock me with Haslam. I'm not saying it's GOING to happen. It just wouldn't surprise me.

BR1986FB;1683944 wrote:I really like Pettine as the head coach but if he somehow justifies trotting Hoyer out there against Cincuinnati, Jimmy Haslam needs to take a long, hard look at his decision making. If this happens, wouldn't completely shock me if Pettine was "one and done." Yeah, that sounds friggin nuts considering they have 7 wins but nothing would shock me with Haslam. I'm not saying it's GOING to happen. It just wouldn't surprise me.

It's not going to happen

Defense is pissed....

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/browns-coach-made-mistake-by-sticking-with-brian-hoyer-over-johnny-manziel-011050852.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory

BR1986FB;1683949 wrote:Defense is pissed....

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/browns-coach-made-mistake-by-sticking-with-brian-hoyer-over-johnny-manziel-011050852.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory

I struggle to read articles that say "hoyer looked like the future a few weeks ago"

He has never been the future.

BR1986FB;1683944 wrote:I really like Pettine as the head coach but if he somehow justifies trotting Hoyer out there against Cincuinnati, Jimmy Haslam needs to take a long, hard look at his decision making. If this happens, wouldn't completely shock me if Pettine was "one and done." Yeah, that sounds friggin nuts considering they have 7 wins but nothing would shock me with Haslam. I'm not saying it's GOING to happen. It just wouldn't surprise me.

Very well said....I feel the exact same way as you...the only difference is that Haslam may already be sharpening the axe after Pettine started Horror yesterday. Pettine's decision making is already a huge ???.

The Browns D should be pissed they played great yesterday and should have gotten a win. However, all you that want Johnny...lets see how long that last. Put the boy in I think nobody will like what they see in a few weeks.