We definitely have to draft a pass rusher this upcoming draft to make up for the Mingo pick.

shook_17;1678310 wrote:Hopefully Dansby is able to play this week. I really like how strong Craig Robertson has come on this year. I see them resigning him and definitely Gipson. Sheard and Cameron I think are gone.

This is game makes me nervous. I think we have to win 11 games to make the playoffs. The AFCN is tough. Maybe 10-6 gets you in.

Browns 24
Bills 14

Browns could finish 12-4 and conceivably not get in. Highly unlikely tho. 10-6 won't get them in this year as the Browns are last against everybody on tie breakers.

Footwedge;1678516 wrote:Browns could finish 12-4 and conceivably not get in. Highly unlikely tho. 10-6 won't get them in this year as the Browns are last against everybody on tie breakers.

A number of 10-6 teams havent made it, and only 1 11-5 team I believe hasnt made it and that was before they allowed 12 teams into the playoffs.

Footwedge;1678516 wrote:Browns could finish 12-4 and conceivably not get in. Highly unlikely tho. 10-6 won't get them in this year as the Browns are last against everybody on tie breakers.

I feel skeptical.

Footwedge;1678516 wrote:Browns could finish 12-4 and conceivably not get in. Highly unlikely tho. 10-6 won't get them in this year as the Browns are last against everybody on tie breakers.

Prove it.

Finish behind Steelers at 12-4 via tie breaker

Browns winning out would guarantee Baltimore and Cincy behind them.

Pittsburgh winning out gives the Chiefs a 5th loss.

Browns go 12-4 the worst case scenario is a WC between them and SD or Denver for the #5 and #6 seeds.

C'mon guys, when has FW ever been wrong before?

Lol, no one has math skills quite like Foot. Which is good, or as a country, we'd rank below Somalia in education.

Ironman92;1678533 wrote:Prove it.

Finish behind Steelers at 12-4 via tie breaker

Browns winning out would guarantee Baltimore and Cincy behind them.

Pittsburgh winning out gives the Chiefs a 5th loss.

Browns go 12-4 the worst case scenario is a WC between them and SD or Denver for the #5 and #6 seeds.

You're right. I didn't know Pittspuke played KC. But I stand by my take that the Browns don't get in at 10-6. Moot point anyway. The Browns will limp home with Hoyer running things.

Footwedge;1678648 wrote:You're right. I didn't know Pittspuke played KC. But I stand by my take that the Browns don't get in at 10-6. Moot point anyway. The Browns will limp home with Hoyer running things.

I feel like this is becoming a reoccurring response from FW.

"I was wrong, but I still stand by the general idea of it"

Depending on weather, I think we fuck up the Bills this weekend. They ain't shit. Robert Woods? Get the fuck out of here. 10+ point win from the browns.

Footwedge;1678648 wrote:You're right. I didn't know Pittspuke played KC. But I stand by my take that the Browns don't get in at 10-6. Moot point anyway. The Browns will limp home with Hoyer running things.

If the 10-6 includes wins over Bengals and ravens, they would have a good chance of getting in.

I like the confidence of some. The Bills aren't the Jags or Texans. They're BETTER.

Hopefully, Shanahan is the genius OC that many are stating. If he is, he'll abandon the run on 1st down and throw it to keep Buffalo's front four on their toes. If he tries to do the typical "run on first down", Hoyer is going to be running for his life a lot. The Bills have almost 50 sacks with three of their D-Linemen having 9.5 or more. If they are in a lot of 3rd & longs, it's probably not going to be a good day. Biggest concerns are McDonald & Schwartz getting mauled. Hopefully, they get reinforcements.

Before anyone posts the "oh, you're so doom & gloom", I'm just stating FACTS. If the Browns are going to win this game, I have a feeling they are going to have to win by playing "Tressel ball" (a lot of punts to win the field position game). Believe it or not, I think the defense & special teams are going to be a bigger key than the offense. The Bills win with defense and their offense generally puts up 20 points, or around there. If the Browns can hold them to under that, and keep it very low scoring, I think they have a chance.

BR1986FB;1678696 wrote:I like the confidence of some. The Bills aren't the Jags or Texans. They're BETTER.

Hopefully, Shanahan is the genius OC that many are stating. If he is, he'll abandon the run on 1st down and throw it to keep Buffalo's front four on their toes. If he tries to do the typical "run on first down", Hoyer is going to be running for his life a lot. The Bills have almost 50 sacks with three of their D-Linemen having 9.5 or more. If they are in a lot of 3rd & longs, it's probably not going to be a good day. Biggest concerns are McDonald & Schwartz getting mauled. Hopefully, they get reinforcements.

Before anyone posts the "oh, you're so doom & gloom", I'm just stating FACTS. If the Browns are going to win this game, I have a feeling they are going to have to win by playing "Tressel ball" (a lot of punts to win the field position game). Believe it or not, I think the defense & special teams are going to be a bigger key than the offense. The Bills win with defense and their offense generally puts up 20 points, or around there. If the Browns can hold them to under that, and keep it very low scoring, I think they have a chance.

Not a gloom and doom post, but you're just acting like everyone is writing off the bills. The only one to do that so far is durkie.

Al Bundy;1678663 wrote:If the 10-6 includes wins over Bengals and ravens, they would have a good chance of getting in.

I think the Browns could get in at 10-6 but I think one of those losses would need to be against Carolina. They need as many conference wins as possible due to tie breakers.

Interesting scenario was brought up yesterday. With the Browns playing the Rats and the Steelers playing the Bengals in the final week of the season, wouldn't it be interesting if week 17 came down to who wins the division (assuming all had 9 or 10 wins going in)?

like_that;1678699 wrote:Not a gloom and doom post, but you're just acting like everyone is writing off the bills. The only one to do that so far is durkie.

That could very well be a reverse jinx.

Hey, I'll be the first to admit the Browns have improved this year but they're still not "good", imo. This game will be the biggest test, to me, as to whether they are indeed a playoff contender. This is going to be a very tough game, win or lose. Just hope they can find a way to pull it out.

Orton is actually a better version of Hoyer (12 TD's, 3 INT's and 65% completions, I believe). The D has to find a way to rattle him because Buffalo's O-Line sucks. A special teams TD would be nice too. God knows, Benjamin's due to break one.

like_that;1678498 wrote:We definitely have to draft a pass rusher this upcoming draft to make up for the Mingo pick.

I think Mingo leads the NFL in almost making plays. He's usually close to the ball, but runs right by the QB/ball carrier or whiffs the tackle.

BR1986FB;1678703 wrote:That could very well be a reverse jinx.

Hey, I'll be the first to admit the Browns have improved this year but they're still not "good", imo. This game will be the biggest test, to me, as to whether they are indeed a playoff contender. This is going to be a very tough game, win or lose. Just hope they can find a way to pull it out.

Orton is actually a better version of Hoyer (12 TD's, 3 INT's and 65% completions, I believe). The D has to find a way to rattle him because Buffalo's O-Line sucks. A special teams TD would be nice too. God knows, Benjamin's due to break one.

We aren't getting any special teams tds, they are too afraid.

As for orton, his stats are like that because 90% of their routes go for 5 yards or less. They don't take too many chances down field. The key (just as is the same key for the bills) is stop the rushing attack, and force orton to make plays.

Footwedge;1678648 wrote:You're right. I didn't know Pittspuke played KC. But I stand by my take that the Browns don't get in at 10-6. Moot point anyway. The Browns will limp home with Hoyer running things.

Lol, did Failwedge F up another Breowns playoff scenario prediction?

BR1986FB;1678696 wrote:I like the confidence of some. The Bills aren't the Jags or Texans. They're BETTER.

Hopefully, Shanahan is the genius OC that many are stating. If he is, he'll abandon the run on 1st down and throw it to keep Buffalo's front four on their toes. If he tries to do the typical "run on first down", Hoyer is going to be running for his life a lot. The Bills have almost 50 sacks with three of their D-Linemen having 9.5 or more. If they are in a lot of 3rd & longs, it's probably not going to be a good day. Biggest concerns are McDonald & Schwartz getting mauled. Hopefully, they get reinforcements.

Before anyone posts the "oh, you're so doom & gloom", I'm just stating FACTS. If the Browns are going to win this game, I have a feeling they are going to have to win by playing "Tressel ball" (a lot of punts to win the field position game). Believe it or not, I think the defense & special teams are going to be a bigger key than the offense. The Bills win with defense and their offense generally puts up 20 points, or around there. If the Browns can hold them to under that, and keep it very low scoring, I think they have a chance.

Lol you posted like 2 facts (about buffalo's team sacks) the rest is all opinion

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/11/josh_gordon_has_gotten_the_col.html

DeyDurkie5;1678661 wrote:I feel like this is becoming a reoccurring response from FW.

"I was wrong, but I still stand by the general idea of it"

That's what happens when you base entire year-long arguments off:

1. Your personal opinion
2. A general guess at "unimportant things" like stats, trends, etc.
3. An in-depth look at good things a player (or players) has/have done at completely different levels of play.

Heretic;1678795 wrote:That's what happens when you base entire year-long arguments off:

1. Your personal opinion
2. A general guess at "unimportant things" like stats, trends, etc.
3. An in-depth look at good things a player (or players) has/have done at completely different levels of play.

Remember when Dion Lewis was easily the Browns best rb?

I look for the team that scores the most points to win. JMO

wes_mantooth;1678825 wrote:I look for the team that scores the most points to win. JMO

Which would be the browns.

wes_mantooth;1678825 wrote:I look for the team that scores the most points to win. JMO

Good to have you back wes lol