That Pacer team had Jermaine O'Neal, Ron Artest (Peja), Jon Bender, and a few others. They were better than these teams. Oneal missed almost 2 months with injury.

Also had Rick Carlisle as coach. On of the NBAs best.

like_that;1718378 wrote:All records/stats aren't created equally. Look at the rosters of the top teams in the playoffs that year and tell me they are better than the top rosters for the east.

I would say W/L is pretty cut and dry. But no this is the all time low, I think only Atlanta and Cleveland would be locks for the playoffs if they played in the West

Laley23;1718380 wrote:Also had Rick Carlisle as coach. On of the NBAs best.

George Karl coached the Bucks, Riley with the Heat and Brown of course with the 76ers all tremendous coaches as well

like_that;1718378 wrote:Look at the rosters of the top teams in the playoffs that year and tell me they are better than the top rosters for the east.

I think that's a completely different argument than whether the east was better as a conference.

Classyposter58;1718382 wrote:I would say W/L is pretty cut and dry. But no this is the all time low, I think only Atlanta and Cleveland would be locks for the playoffs if they played in the West

No it is definitely not. I.e. the AFC North had 3 teams with winning records, and one team that was a game away from .500. Was it because they were really good? No, they just beat up on the NFC South. They only won 1 game in the playoffs, and that is because there was a head 2 head matchup.

Classyposter58;1718383 wrote:George Karl coached the Bucks, Riley with the Heat and Brown of course with the 76ers all tremendous coaches as well

They did have good coaches, i will give them that.

Mulva;1718385 wrote:I think that's a completely different argument than whether the east was better as a conference.

Was there more parity in the East in 2001 sure, but you can't simply look at records and compare the east then to the east in 2007 and now. Look at the 4 teams who made the ECF in 2001 (Charlotte, Philly, Milwaukee, and Toronto). I can not confidently say that those 4 teams would win a series against the top 5 teams in this season.

If we are looking at a one man show "I am going to carry my team to the finals" performance, I think it would be way more impressive this year in the east and in 2007 than it was in 2001 since the east is so top heavy. Overall it is pretty sad how shitty the east has been for over a decad now compared to the West, but at least in the last few years the WCF wasn't the de facto NBA championship.

Nothing about the way the game has changed or the metric stats are going to make me change my mind on how unbelievable Iverson was for a few years.

Kings calling up the big guy

http://dleague.nba.com/news/sim-bhullar-nba-dleague-sacramento-kings-reno-bighorns-season-timeline-040215/

like_that;1718388 wrote:No it is definitely not. I.e. the AFC North had 3 teams with winning records, and one team that was a game away from .500. Was it because they were really good? No, they just beat up on the NFC South. They only won 1 game in the playoffs, and that is because there was a head 2 head matchup.



They did have good coaches, i will give them that.


Was there more parity in the East in 2001 sure, but you can't simply look at records and compare the east then to the east in 2007 and now. Look at the 4 teams who made the ECF in 2001 (Charlotte, Philly, Milwaukee, and Toronto). I can not confidently say that those 4 teams would win a series against the top 5 teams in this season.

If we are looking at a one man show "I am going to carry my team to the finals" performance, I think it would be way more impressive this year in the east and in 2007 than it was in 2001 since the east is so top heavy. Overall it is pretty sad how shitty the east has been for over a decad now compared to the West, but at least in the last few years the WCF wasn't the de facto NBA championship.

It's all about stability at the top I believe. Since 1999 only 4 franchises have won the West(Spurs, Lakers, Mavericks, Thunder) while 9 have won the East(Knicks, Pacers, 76ers, Nets, Pistons, Heat, Cavs, Magic, Celtics). That stability gives Western teams a clear target to shoot for in developing a championship team while the East really has not had that.

Same thing happened in hockey, the Red Wings, Avs and Stars dominated the West in the late 90s-early 2000s, whole conference became loaded with great defensive centers in an effort to stop those great puck possession teams, and an imbalance grew. Then when Pittsburgh became loaded the balance of power evened out

Baseball had something similar as well, Boston and NY were so good for so long the rest of the AL exploded up

10 years ago today

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152901992747320

gport_tennis;1718313 wrote:Pulling a Harden = going to the finals or losing first round? Just curious because I know he has done both...

Didn't he pretty much lose it for the Thunder by being so incredibly bad that series? Looks like pulling a Harden could have multiple definitions. Time will tell.

Rotinaj;1718535 wrote:Didn't he pretty much lose it for the Thunder by being so incredibly bad that series? Looks like pulling a Harden could have multiple definitions. Time will tell.

It usually does.

Yeah, yeah, I'm a homer, but 24/20/13 for Cousins. First since Wilt with back to back 20/20/10 triple doubles.

Azubuike24;1718545 wrote:Yeah, yeah, I'm a homer, but 24/20/13 for Cousins. First since Wilt with back to back 20/20/10 triple doubles.

This one is ok

Ironman92;1718576 wrote:This one is ok

Lol I was just about to say that. That's wicked impressive

In the 1967 playoffs Wilt had a game of 24 pts 32 rb, 13 asst, 12 blk

Psycho T currently has 18 points on 5 shots. Pretty efficient.

Points from free throws are baddd. He's a chucker

This OKC team is trash against any decent defense. I think they lose the #8 seed in the last week to the Peilcans

RW with his 11th triple double (9th since ASB and 7th with 30+ points)....but OKC going down again.

This harden guy is trash for sure

Fucking Singler.....get your damn hand in his face SMH Harden with two straight 3's and OKC's defense is abysmal.

gport_tennis;1719053 wrote:This harden guy is trash for sure

He has had about 7 wide open 3's and about 4 wide open lay ups....no clue what the hell OKC is doing. Houston hasn't given Westbrook anything and have beat on him.

Houston's ft shooting is as bad as I have seen.

Harden is out if OKC can manage to get this to OT but still unlikely

Refs SMH