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why so serious?

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Apr 1, 2015 12:59 AM
That same SB Nation you used against Harden has Harden ahead of Curry.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/3/31/8318883/james-harden-vs-stephen-curry-nba-mvp

Lol at you using a "GM Draft" to say he's not top 15, how old are you? That's such a childish argument to include when we're talking about what's happening today, this season. And what's happening is he's a consensus top 3, probably consensus top 2 valuable player this year.
Apr 1, 2015 12:59am
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Apr 1, 2015 12:59 AM
lhslep134;1717767 wrote:Again, I have Curry over Harden but it's close.
Except it's not. Its Curry, LBJ, Westbrook, then who cares.
Apr 1, 2015 12:59am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:01 AM
lhslep134;1717768 wrote:That same SB Nation you used against Harden has Harden ahead of Curry.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/3/31/8318883/james-harden-vs-stephen-curry-nba-mvp

Lol at you using a "GM Draft" to say he's not 15. Your argument is so childish.
Umm, not the say writer, derp. Guess a publication can only have one view shared by all writers. Someone better tell BSPN this.
Apr 1, 2015 1:01am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:02 AM
Obviously you care since you're arguing so vigorously against Harden, which is hilarious given how he's carried the Rockets all year.
Apr 1, 2015 1:02am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:03 AM
lhslep134;1717771 wrote:Obviously you care since you're arguing so vigorously against Harden, which is hilarious given how he's carried the Rockets all year.
My "who cares" was in reference to no one else is in the race. Thought that was obvious, but keep grasping.
Apr 1, 2015 1:03am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:04 AM
Commander of Awesome;1717770 wrote:Umm, not the say writer, derp. Guess a publication can only have one view shared by all writers. Someone better tell BSPN this.
And once again, your writer's article was about the playoffs, something completely irrelevant to this regular season MVP argument.

You're advancing a completely childish argument I'd expect from someone in middle school.

Pictures of Tina Fey? How old are you? 13
Apr 1, 2015 1:04am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:06 AM
Come back with some relevant regular season MVP talk and I'll continue this argument. Find me legitmate NBA articles where Harden isn't a top 3 MVP candidate.
Apr 1, 2015 1:06am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:06 AM
lhslep134;1717773 wrote:And once again, your writer's article was about the playoffs, something completely irrelevant to this regular season MVP argument.

You're advancing a completely childish argument I'd expect from someone in middle school.
How about instead of calling me childish for the 2nd time, refute my comments regarding your comments about JOing to Harden being #1 in offensive wins shares. The same metrics that has DeAndre Jordan #10 in same stat. I've explained my comment about why post season counts IMO to MVP, you just call me childish and grasp to straws.
Apr 1, 2015 1:06am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:07 AM
lhslep134;1717774 wrote:Come back with some relevant regular season MVP talk and I'll continue this argument. Find me legitmate NBA articles where Harden isn't a top 3 MVP candidate.
All the "Childish" I'm done bc I'm getting pwned cop out. Thanks for playing.
Apr 1, 2015 1:07am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:08 AM
Commander of Awesome;1717772 wrote:My "who cares" was in reference to no one else is in the race. Thought that was obvious, but keep grasping.
You should realize that saying "who cares" describing a group and then you arguing about whether or not someone is included in that group shows that you do, indeed, care about who is included in that group and who is not. What's even worse is when you include in your "who cares" a consensus top 3 candidate.
Apr 1, 2015 1:08am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:10 AM
Apr 1, 2015 1:10am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:11 AM
Commander of Awesome;1717775 wrote:How about instead of calling me childish for the 2nd time, refute my comments regarding your comments about JOing to Harden being #1 in offensive wins shares. The same metrics that has DeAndre Jordan #10 in same stat. I've explained my comment about why post season counts IMO to MVP, you just call me childish and grasp to straws.
I posted overall win shares. Since defense counts too, and Harden is number #1 overall ahead of your boy Steph overall, I guess you can continue your childish ways and find some obtuse way to refute it.
Apr 1, 2015 1:11am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:12 AM
lhslep134;1717765 wrote:That has absolutely nothing to do with my point though. That's the sort of rebuttal you'd expect from someone who said the MVP race is "not close" though.

It is close, and just because you hate his style doesn't mean it isn't valuable. He's leading the NBA in offensive win shares for a reason.

The MVP is a regular season award, not a post-season one. Don't know why you're bringing up the playoffs other than to deflect.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html
Apr 1, 2015 1:12am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:14 AM
I know what offensive win shares show and I post overall. Can you please include a picture of Amy Poehler in your response?
Apr 1, 2015 1:14am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:14 AM
lhslep134;1717779 wrote:I posted overall win shares. Since defense counts too, and Harden is number #1 overall ahead of your boy Steph overall, I guess you can continue your childish ways and find some obtuse way to refute it.
Changing the topic I see, typical deflection.
Apr 1, 2015 1:14am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:15 AM
lhslep134;1717781 wrote:I know what offensive win shares show and I showed overall. Can you please include a picture of Amy Poehler in your response?
you said, OFFENSIVE WIN SHARES for you argument, then proceeded to not use/talk about offensive win shares because it didn't fit your narrative.
Apr 1, 2015 1:15am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:16 AM
Ishlep, if he's the most valuable player, as you claim, he'll show it in the playoffs. Or he'll be bounced in the first round like the non mvp he always is. MVPs get to the finals period. MVPs are for closers only.
Apr 1, 2015 1:16am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:17 AM
Commander of Awesome;1717784 wrote:Ishlep, if he's the most valuable player, as you claim, he'll show it in the playoffs. Or he'll be bounced in the first round like the non mvp he always is. MVPs get to the finals period. MVPs are for closers only.
MVP is a regular season discussion only buddy. Oh and where was Durant last year? Wasn't he MVP? He hasn't been to the finals since being named MVP. What about Nash? Which Finals was Nash in? That's right: you once again brought up a topic what has already been dismissed as completely irrelevant to the MVP discussion, the playoffs.
Commander of Awesome;1717783 wrote:you said, OFFENSIVE WIN SHARES for you argument, then proceeded to not use/talk about offensive win shares because it didn't fit your narrative.
Jesus christ dude offensive win shares are a component of overall win shares. If I then proceed to argue overall win shares I'm necessarily including offensive win shares. I hope I don't have to explain what a necessary condition is to you.

Don't step into the ring if you can't handle arguing with me.

Now please, post a picture of Amy Poehler to make yourself feel better.
Apr 1, 2015 1:17am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:20 AM
lhslep134;1717785 wrote:Jesus christ dude offensive win shares are a component of overall win shares. If I then proceed to argue overall win shares I'm necessarily including offensive win shares. I hope I don't have to explain what a necessary condition is to you.

Don't step into the ring if you can't handle arguing with me, I'm much better at it than you as shown through this glorious beat down I've just given you.

Now please, post a picture of Amy Poehler to make yourself feel better.
Let me play if back for you:

You mentioned Offensive Win Shares, harden leading that cat, as why he was MVP.

I showed 2 players that dont deserve to be on the top 50 of an offensive category stat for MVP, let alone top 11. You panic and switch your narrative to Win Shares to showcase harden in a better field of players overall, which helps your narrative.

What does this all show? Advanced stats are nice, but not the end all be all. Thanks for playing. Looking forward to you calling me a child again, and sewlf declaring yourself the victor of the discussion. lolfail
Apr 1, 2015 1:20am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:26 AM
Your only arguments for him not being top 3 are what? That you don't like his style of play? That he won't go far in the playoffs? Those are pathetically awful arguments man. Not much else to say.

My arguments are well laid out and easily backed by evidence: #1 offensive win shares; #1 overall win shares; #8 defensive win shares; #3 box +/1; #1 value over replacement player....I could go on and on.

You included a picture of Tina Fey; I included a picture of the overall win shares leaderboard. You use terms like pwn and lolfail and other childish phrases, yet you're not being childish? How self-serving is that statement? From where I'm standing you were extremely childish tonight and the others will see that when they wake up tomorrow.

Next time you want to argue come prepared.
Apr 1, 2015 1:26am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:32 AM
Commander of Awesome;1717786 wrote:
I showed 2 players that dont deserve to be on the top 50 of an offensive category stat for MVP, let alone top 11. You panic and switch your narrative to Win Shares to showcase harden in a better field of players overall, which helps your narrative.
Since it's obvious you don't know how to debate without going into childish narratives, here's a free lesson for your benefit: this is called debating. When you make a point and your opponent attacks the sufficiency of that point you come back with a better and more effective point, to which you hope they can't counter. It's not "panicking and switching the narrative" it's finding an even better fact to rebut with since the good one I used wasn't good enough for you.
Apr 1, 2015 1:32am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:34 AM
lhslep134;1717787 wrote:Your only arguments for him not being top 3 are what? That you don't like his style of play? That he won't go far in the playoffs? Those are pathetically awful arguments man. Not much else to say.

My arguments are well laid out and easily backed by evidence: #1 offensive win shares; #1 overall win shares; #8 defensive win shares; #3 box +/1; #1 value over replacement player....I could go on and on.

You included a picture of Tina Fey; I included a picture of the overall win shares leaderboard. You use terms like pwn and lolfail and other childish phrases, yet you're not being childish? How self-serving is that statement? From where I'm standing you were extremely childish tonight and the others will see that when they wake up tomorrow.

Next time you want to argue come prepared.
You completely disreagarded the article I brought up about his FT% being the biggest contributor to his Win Shares and how that disappears in the playoffs. I then brought up how offensive win shares ia bit flawed, see Chandler/Jordon. I also brought up his FG% being under 40% since the all star break. Again, you disregarded those posts with "Another childish response" holier than tho type post. Get over yourself lil guy and stop JOing to a player who went to your alma mater. NOGAF.
Apr 1, 2015 1:34am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:34 AM
Your only arguments for him not being top 3 are what? That you don't like his style of play? That he won't go far in the playoffs? Those are pathetically awful arguments man. Not much else to say.

My arguments are well laid out and easily backed by evidence: #1 offensive win shares; #1 overall win shares; #8 defensive win shares; #3 box +/1; #1 value over replacement player....I could go on and on.

You included a picture of Tina Fey; I included a picture of the overall win shares leaderboard. You use terms like pwn and lolfail and other childish phrases, yet you're not being childish? How self-serving is that statement? From where I'm standing you were extremely childish tonight and the others will see that when they wake up tomorrow.

Next time you want to argue come prepared.
Apr 1, 2015 1:34am
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Apr 1, 2015 1:36 AM
Commander of Awesome;1717789 wrote:Get over yourself lil guy and stop JOing to a player who went to your alma mater.
Since I'm unfamiliar with the feeling, how does it feel to attempt an insult and be completely wrong about it? Harden went to Arizona State. I attended the University of Arizona, thus Arizona State is not my alma mater, but rather my "enemy".

Yet another fact you conveniently ignore (it's not like it's on my avatar or anything). That is on top of the fact I'm taking Curry over Harden and thus your "JOing to a player" comment doesn't really make sense given that I think Curry should be MVP over him.
Apr 1, 2015 1:36am
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Apr 1, 2015 7:57 AM
I never knew until this morning that Chris Paul is 4th in NBA history in win shares/48. Behind only MJ, Robinson, and Wilt.
Apr 1, 2015 7:57am