At least St Louis isn't in Ohio

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gut;1679891 wrote:I don't have to. You do realize TWELVE jurors need to unanimously decide he's guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt".? Why do all the people who have a problem with "justice" in this case appear to have no clue how the legal system works?

You sat on a grand jury and still don't know how it works - how shitty was that prosecutor?
Whats your point? You're still stating your opinion on the outcome. The prosecutor could have gotten an indictment if he wanted to. There's no debating that. That's how the process works. In a trial everything would have changed with cross examinations and public witnesses and the public hearing everything. Added with a special prosecutor who actually is interested in trying the case.

I sat on grand jury and told you how it works. Sorry if you don't like it. Maybe if you sit on one you'll see it's the prosecutors decision. Or if a detective or police chief has some pull they'll have you "listen to more evidence" if you return a no bill that they don't agree with.
Nov 30, 2014 7:46am
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columbus beechcroft is a st louis high school
Nov 30, 2014 7:51am
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gut;1679891 wrote:
You sat on a grand jury and still don't know how it works - how shitty was that prosecutor?
Actually there's a half dozen prosecutors as you listen to tons of cases. DONT YOU KNOW HOW IT WORKS?!?!!?!!

i thought it'd feel a lot better to be a smug asshole. Not sure why you love it so much.
Nov 30, 2014 7:53am
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All these side issues mean nothing.....If you want to stop cop violence( especially cop violence on black people), the message that needs to get out and needs to be put out by leadership is....DON'T break the law, and when a cop gives you an order...COMPLY. NOBODY is putting that out there...The message that that is being parrotted is to encourage even MORE DISRESPECT.
Cops put their life on the line for the community every day...don't make their life more difficult by putting them in a position where they feel they have to use weapons.
Nov 30, 2014 10:15am
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HitsRus;1679928 wrote:All these side issues mean nothing.....If you want to stop cop violence( especially cop violence on black people), the message that needs to get out and needs to be put out by leadership is....DON'T break the law, and when a cop gives you an order...COMPLY. NOBODY is putting that out there...The message that that is being parrotted is to encourage even MORE DISRESPECT.
Cops put their life on the line for the community every day...don't make their life more difficult by putting them in a position where they feel they have to use weapons.
If everyone just complies with the cops, what does that change? They're supposed to serve us, not have us be their bitches.
Nov 30, 2014 10:18am
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Since all the evidence of the grand jury is now public, why don't Michael Brown's parents file a civil suit against the state, city and Wilson and win a bunch of money?

I personally would LOVE to see a defendant make a name for himself absolutely trashing the fuck out of the these ignorant morons.
Nov 30, 2014 10:22am
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If everyone just complies with the cops, what does that change? They're supposed to serve us, not have us be their bitches
So you actually think that non compliance with the police is a smart idea? You think that there are legitimate reasons to not do so?

That's a sure way to get killed no matter what your color is. I cannot think of ONE good thing that can happen if you don't comply with a police request/order.
Nov 30, 2014 10:32am
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HitsRus;1679935 wrote:So you actually think that non compliance with the police is a smart idea? You think that there are legitimate reasons to not do so?

That's a sure way to get killed no matter what your color is. I cannot think of ONE good thing that can happen if you don't comply with a police request/order.

And that's the problem. Everyone feels they should have to do whatever the cops want so you don't get killed. There's no excuse for that. They're here to serve us, not be big brother. We're finally seeing some protesting and hopefully reform will come. For years we've been able to keep the poor silent. Now with social media they can't shut them up anymore. Much like you see in other countries going thru revolutions. This is a good thing.
Nov 30, 2014 10:47am
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ZWICK 4 PREZ;1679940 wrote:And that's the problem. Everyone feels they should have to do whatever the cops want so you don't get killed. There's no excuse for that. They're here to serve us, not be big brother. ...
I couldn't disagree more.

I want people to do what the police instruct to be done.

The way the police serve me and all of us is by enforcing the law. If their instructions are to assist them in doing their job, people better do it.
Nov 30, 2014 10:52am
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ZWICK 4 PREZ;1679929 wrote:If everyone just complies with the cops, what does that change? They're supposed to serve us, not have us be their bitches.
Some of us don't want things to change.

If everyone complies with the police orders the result would be a lawful society.
Nov 30, 2014 10:54am
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Con_Alma;1679941 wrote:I couldn't disagree more.

I want people to do what the police instruct to be done.

The way the police serve me and all of us is by enforcing the law. If their instructions are to assist them in doing their job, people better do it.

not surprised.
Nov 30, 2014 10:55am
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Con_Alma;1679942 wrote:Some of us don't want things to change.

If everyone complies with the police orders the result would be a lawful society.
Spoken like a true rich white man who's never had problems
Nov 30, 2014 10:56am
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ZWICK 4 PREZ;1679943 wrote:not surprised.

I do try to be consistent.
Nov 30, 2014 10:57am
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lol zwick, keep the laughs coming. Getting better and better with each post.
Nov 30, 2014 10:58am
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Con_Alma;1679945 wrote:I do try to be consistent.
Well you get an exceed for that rating.
Nov 30, 2014 10:58am
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Rotinaj;1679947 wrote:lol zwick, keep the laughs coming. Getting better and better with each post.
Well it's not like its a surprise. Everyone knows you can't have a conversation on race in Ohio Chatter. It's the perfect demographic for small town republican Ohio.
Nov 30, 2014 11:01am
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ZWICK 4 PREZ;1679940 wrote:... We're finally seeing some protesting and hopefully reform will come. For years we've been able to keep the poor silent. Now with social media they can't shut them up anymore. Much like you see in other countries going thru revolutions. This is a good thing.

...yeah...the same way Occupy Wall Street has changed the big bank regulations. ;)

I don't want the "poor" to be silent. I don't want anyone to be silenced. I do want people to respect the laws we have in place including lawful assembly.
Nov 30, 2014 11:04am
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Con_Alma;1679951 wrote:...yeah...the same way Occupy Wall Street has changed the big bank regulations. ;)

I don't want the "poor" to be silent. I don't want anyone to be silenced. I do want people to respect the laws we have in place including lawful assembly.
So you're ok with our laws? All of our laws?
Nov 30, 2014 11:06am
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Rotinaj;1679947 wrote:lol zwick, keep the laughs coming. Getting better and better with each post.
+1

Us rich white folks just must not get where zwicks struggles come from.
Nov 30, 2014 11:06am
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If cops would just let black people break the law and disrespect authority the world would be a better place.

-Zwick 2014
Nov 30, 2014 11:08am
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ZWICK 4 PREZ;1679952 wrote:So you're ok with our laws? All of our laws?
Nope but I respect that we are a nation of laws. Even the laws I don't agree with I have to follow them.

All citizens will never be in full agreement but we as a society choose through representation what those laws should be. I'm not willing to blatantly break laws to try and get laws I like put into place. That's hypocritical.

If you want to do so, you are rolling the dice for being punished for such crimes.
Nov 30, 2014 11:09am
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And if blacks aren't okay with laws, they should be allowed to break them until change is enacted. If too many black people get arrested and charged with a crime, we need to find some white people and get them in jail too so that there is equality in the legal system.

-Zwick 2014
Nov 30, 2014 11:09am
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SportsAndLady;1679954 wrote:+1

Us rich white folks just must not get where zwicks struggles come from.

;) Lol. Nice.
Nov 30, 2014 11:10am
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SportsAndLady;1679954 wrote:+1

Us rich white folks just must not get where zwicks struggles come from.
I didn't include you in that. You're a bank teller. Con Alma is rich.

And they're definitely not my struggles. I don't go thru them. I don't pretend they don't exist like you.
Nov 30, 2014 11:11am
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ZWICK 4 PREZ;1679965 wrote:I didn't include you in that. You're a bank teller. Con Alma is rich.
Aw I must have hurt your feelings. Lol
Nov 30, 2014 11:13am