ZWICK 4 PREZ;1645965 wrote:Yeah the structure was so good for him the first time that he raped a girl. You people will say anything to justify playing football for that cesspool.

Football had zero to do with what happened other than the fact that some of these kids were on the squad. Incidently neither boy played a single down at the varsity level ,yet they have been portrayed as super stars through out the media frenzy. When the police came to pactice to sieze the cell phones of the defendants Reno told the athorities he had to call the parents for permision to release the phones to the authorities. That is where much stink came from in which many false acusations of a cover up have come from.

I don't like many of the actions with many adults during the rape investigation including Reno and the school board but football had nothing to do with this incident. This happened off school property and when school was not in session. The unpaid assistant coach who was charged with not reporting underage drinking, came home to his parents house to find his sister who goes to Catholic Central and all her volleyball friends ,and many football players from several schools ,the rape victim, and some of the accused having a party ,only to throw them all out of the house.

Finally you don't know me from a load of coal and I thought you were more intellegent than that. I don't give a damn about football concerning this or that when it comes to crimes such as this, so don't acuse me of not caring and saying anything to deflect blame away from the crime . You don't know shit. I try and give you guys actual facts so you all can have a better grasp of the actual truth but I expect nothing less from you and 90% of the posters on this site .

fish82;1645973 wrote:It's not talked about because it really isn't of note, and is completely irrelevant...unless you have some proof that he's actually speaking for the victim when he said that.

Bringing it up at all does nothing but highlight the desperation by you people to somehow try and justify him suiting up. And as Zwick pointed out, will Coach Soprano be giving him somehow different "guidance" this round, as opposed to what he received prior to raping the unconscious girl?

Bullshit did I not tell you that I didn't like the idea of him being reinstated on the football team. You read what parts you want ,or you don't comprhend very well.

It only irrelevant to you that (Fitzsimmons) said what he did because it goes against your agenda.

steubbigred;1645980 wrote:Bullshit did I not tell you that I didn't like the idea of him being reinstated on the football team. You read what parts you want ,or you don't comprhend very well.

It only irrelevant to you that (Fitzsimmons) said what he did because it goes against your agenda.

Unless he's speaking for his client, his opinion means nothing more than anyone else's, and your trying to make his statement "of note" is the only thing that smacks of agenda here.

Hope this helps.

fish82;1645986 wrote:Unless he's speaking for his client, his opinion means nothing more than anyone else's, and your trying to make his statement "of note" is the only thing that smacks of agenda here.

Hope this helps.

Your opinion is far less relevant than his educated and knowledgable opinion. I would say that the lawyer (Fitzsimmons) would not make a statement without the good graces of his client. Common sense.

Hope that helps.

steubbigred;1645988 wrote:Your opinion is far less relevant than his educated and knowledgable opinion. I would say that the lawyer (Fitzsimmons) would not makes a statement without the good graces of his client. Common sense.

Hope that helps.

So your position is that his "educated and knowledgeable" opinion is endorsed by the victim.

Got it.

steubbigred;1645956 wrote:For the record I didn't agree with letting this kid back on the team. Many people in town and Big Red alum do not like the idea. I think it was not well thought out and once again Steubeville and Big Red will feel the wrath of many ignorant and non educated hate mongers who lump us all in together as Renobots.

The facts still are that no law prohibits him from extra currcular activities. No law exists by the OHSAA nor from SCS. Also of note and not talked about at all is the fact that the girls families lawyer (Fitzsimmons) thinks that Richmond playing under Reno in this structured enviroment is a good idea. That comes strait from the victims attorney. Contrary to public opinion Reno did not cover up anything during the rape investigation, and committed no crime what so ever, so there are no grounds for his dismissal. Teacher unions are very strong and all of your schools unions are no different.

Also of note is Richmond has a younger brother on this team and I can't imagine how troubling it is for him.

Like I said I don't agree with this and many other Steubenville people don't agree with this decision either, but it is a done deal and now we once again will be all lumped together like some appalacian inbreds from the movie Deliverance.
Thank you all before hand for all the names I am about to be called just for being a Steubenville alium and a person who actually knows the facts of this case better than 99% of you all.

Steubenville is not only the trash pit of Ohio, but it's the trash pit of America. If I lived there, I would be out in the streets protesting this trash individual from ever representing my school and my city but apparently high school football is more important than ethics in that trash pit. Enjoy your reputation because America sure as shit thinks you are a bunch of inbred hicks and you do nothing but support the stereotype.

Id rather live in Syria right now then Steubenville

Anonymous is on the case again. I wonder if anything will go down during games?

Having served in Iraq I wish you lived in Syria right now too. maybe you could party with ISIS . By the way I don't live in Steubenville but I do like to visit. It's better than most of the white bred klan towns that most of you hicks live in. and One more thing Roll Red Roll!!!

steubbigred;1645998 wrote:Having served in Iraq I wish you lived in Syria right now too. maybe you could party with ISIS . By the way I don't live in Steubenville but I do like to visit. It's better than most of the white bred klan towns that most of you hicks live in. and One more thing Roll Red Roll!!!

Aaaaand.....there you have it. : thumbup:

fish82;1645999 wrote:Aaaaand.....there you have it. : thumbup:

I might as well stoop to your level asshole

They should do what Oklahoma did:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11372291/joe-mixon-oklahoma-sooners-suspended-season


and this --- “Today President David Boren accepted the recommendation of the Director of Athletics and the Head Football Coach to suspend Joe Mixon from the football team for the entire season. He will be excluded from all team activities, including being removed from the team roster. With appropriate conditions, he will be permitted to continue as a student, eligible for financial aid.”Vice President for Athletics Joe Castiglione and head coach Bob Stoops said, “As the university has demonstrated in the past, we are committed to winning the right way. As an example to others, OU sets the highest possible standards for its student athletes, coaches and staff.”
The school decided to suspend Mixon after the Cleveland County (Oklahoma) District Attorney’s office charged him with one misdemeanor count of an act resulting in gross injury Friday. The misdemeanor stemmed from a July 25th confrontation with a female defendant, who accused Mixon of punching her in the face and allegedly caused four broken bones."

steubbigred;1646000 wrote:I might as well stoop to your level asshole

Indeed...'cause I totally went down the name-calling/meltdown road.

#lulz

fish82;1646002 wrote:Indeed...'cause I totally went down the name-calling/meltdown road.

#lulz

Well you got me there. I'm not melting down I'm off of work today and bored so i come on this site knowing I will get bashed to hell and back but yet I still look for intellegent life form. Still looking.

QuakerOats;1646001 wrote:They should do what Oklahoma did:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11372291/joe-mixon-oklahoma-sooners-suspended-season


and this --- “Today President David Boren accepted the recommendation of the Director of Athletics and the Head Football Coach to suspend Joe Mixon from the football team for the entire season. He will be excluded from all team activities, including being removed from the team roster. With appropriate conditions, he will be permitted to continue as a student, eligible for financial aid.”Vice President for Athletics Joe Castiglione and head coach Bob Stoops said, “As the university has demonstrated in the past, we are committed to winning the right way. As an example to others, OU sets the highest possible standards for its student athletes, coaches and staff.”
The school decided to suspend Mixon after the Cleveland County (Oklahoma) District Attorney’s office charged him with one misdemeanor count of an act resulting in gross injury Friday. The misdemeanor stemmed from a July 25th confrontation with a female defendant, who accused Mixon of punching her in the face and allegedly caused four broken bones."

I agree with this 100% . The dude is lucky he is still getting freee schooling but that is a tribute to the Oklahoma people. Finaly a well thought out post .

fish82;1645991 wrote:So your position is that his "educated and knowledgeable" opinion is endorsed by the victim.

Got it.

Basically yes you have it.

steubbigred;1645998 wrote:Having served in Iraq I wish you lived in Syria right now too. maybe you could party with ISIS . By the way I don't live in Steubenville but I do like to visit. It's better than most of the white bred klan towns that most of you hicks live in. and One more thing Roll Red Roll!!!

ISIS and big red are both huge proponents of rape.

The lawyer's opinion isn't relevant. The only opinion that matters belongs to Coach Sackofshit, and history shows fairly conclusively that his only consideration is whether or not a decision makes his football team better. I won't claim that's totally unique among coaches, but what is unique is that effectively, he answers to no one. The community, based on his success, has allowed him the position of the most powerful person in town.

Al Bundy;1646139 wrote:ISIS and big red are both huge proponents of rape.

I laffed.

Hearing people say that there are no laws against his being on the team shows the problem. This is an ethical and moral issue, not a legal issue. The fact that someone even considered reinstating this kid, let alone actually carrying the decision out, is beyond absurd. This Big Red football program is a real piece of work. Talk about having priorities way out of whack.

I know of a kid who broke into a school when he was about 13, and intentionally started a fire in the main office. It didn't burn the whole school down, but caused a lot of damage and the school could not be used for several weeks. He was let back on the towns football team as senior when he got out of jail, and nobody raised a stink. Is this worse, better or the same?

Zoltan;1646147 wrote:I know of a kid who broke into a school when he was about 13, and intentionally started a fire in the main office. It didn't burn the whole school down, but caused a lot of damage and the school could not be used for several weeks. He was let back on the towns football team as senior when he got out of jail, and nobody raised a stink. Is this worse, better or the same?

Just from those details, I'd say Steuby is at least marginally worse. While arson is a definite felony and there's no way I'd want that kid having a privilege like being part of an extracurricular activity, at least it's not a "potentially can easily ruin a person's life" thing like the sort of brutal rape-related shit that went on there (the subtle difference between a bad criminal act and a disgusting one). Also, you at least can say that between 13 and 17-18 that a lot of maturation could go in an adolescent's brain and he could have been a completely different person by then, as opposed to a younger high school student doing something, eventually going to trial, going to jail and then being an older high school student getting to essentially pick up where he left off. And, of course, there's nothing in your paragraph stating that Anonymous had to blow that case wide open so it wouldn't be quietly swept under the rug or that the state AG office had to get involved in order to ensure the perpetrators actually had to face any sort of justice.

Or tl;dr -- neither should have been allowed to play, but Steuby is more of a "WTF is wrong with these dipshits?!?" sort of bullshit decision.

Zoltan;1646147 wrote:I know of a kid who broke into a school when he was about 13, and intentionally started a fire in the main office. It didn't burn the whole school down, but caused a lot of damage and the school could not be used for several weeks. He was let back on the towns football team as senior when he got out of jail, and nobody raised a stink. Is this worse, better or the same?

I'd say being let back on a team 5 years after starting a fire that hurt no one is not QUITE as bad as letting a rapist back on the team 9 months after the crime.

Just an opinion though...

HelloAgain;1646155 wrote:I'd say being let back on a team 5 years after starting a fire that hurt no one is not QUITE as bad as letting a rapist back on the team 9 months after the crime.

Just an opinion though...

My thoughts as well.

Heretic;1646151 wrote:Just from those details, I'd say Steuby is at least marginally worse. While arson is a definite felony and there's no way I'd want that kid having a privilege like being part of an extracurricular activity, at least it's not a "potentially can easily ruin a person's life" thing like the sort of brutal rape-related shit that went on there (the subtle difference between a bad criminal act and a disgusting one). Also, you at least can say that between 13 and 17-18 that a lot of maturation could go in an adolescent's brain and he could have been a completely different person by then, as opposed to a younger high school student doing something, eventually going to trial, going to jail and then being an older high school student getting to essentially pick up where he left off. And, of course, there's nothing in your paragraph stating that Anonymous had to blow that case wide open so it wouldn't be quietly swept under the rug or that the state AG office had to get involved in order to ensure the perpetrators actually had to face any sort of justice.

Or tl;dr -- neither should have been allowed to play, but Steuby is more of a "WTF is wrong with these dipshits?!?" sort of bullshit decision.

I think that... This^^^^