I'll bet anyone on here 10$ that a republican will get at least 15% more of the Jewish vote in the next election as the previous one... Anyone want in?

ohiobucks1;1638392 wrote:I'll bet anyone on here 10$ that a republican will get at least 15% more of the Jewish vote in the next election as the previous one... Anyone want in?

Without knowing the candidate?

Gblock;1638374 wrote:I said if people continue to think the way sleeper does. U don't have to be in the position of hiring and firing to hurt someone and sabatoge them in the workplace. These comments go well beyond jokes and are the kinds of things that continue to spread hate vailed in political jargon. The comments are the same on the women and minorities thread. Gets old is all. When I see that change I would gladly change my stance

Grow up.

Not sure why I randomly got brought into this.

Lol

ohiobucks1;1638392 wrote:I'll bet anyone on here 10$ that a republican will get at least 15% more of the Jewish vote in the next election as the previous one... Anyone want in?

Didn't Romney get 30% of the Jewish vote in 2012?

Also, the dollar sign goes in front of the number

ohiobucks1;1638392 wrote:I'll bet anyone on here 10$ that a republican will get at least 15% more of the Jewish vote in the next election as the previous one... Anyone want in?

Who knows if we will still be around but I will gladly take this bet.

like_that;1638378 wrote:There is equal opportunity, you are never going to happy if you are looking for equal outcome, especially if you hold grudges over petty shit or events that took place when you weren't even alive.

There absolutely 100% is not Equal Opportunity in this country. It is not even a debate. A kid born to a single mother in the projects does not have the same odds of success as a kid born to rich parents in the suburbs. It is not even close. Social mobility in the United States is putrid in comparison to the Nordic countries for example.

Conservatives need to stop with this "Equal Opportunity not Equal Outcome" Meme.

There is no Progressive Liberal Democrat of Consequence who wants anything close to equal outcomes in this country. None. Zero.

The communists were purged from relevance in the 60's with the rise of Rawlsian Liberalism.

And of course, Conservatives always oppose things that would generate more equal opportunity like universal pre-school...it's always a boondoggle and waste of taxpayer money. Yada, yada yada.

What you conservatives really mean to say is that there is sufficient opportunity. It is obvious that there is not equal opportunity. What you really mean is that the opportunities for the p00rz are sufficient enough that if they work hard and don't do drugs and stuff they can succeed....blah blah the same old tropes that ignore all evidence.

Take this exhaustive longitudinal study of 800 poor people. Guess what they stay poor. This is the rule. The Horatio Alger myths that Conservatives use to fight actual attempts to equalize opportunity are the exceedingly rare exception.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-06-17/news/bs-md-rodricks-0617-20140616_1_west-baltimore-hopkins-sociologist-johns-hopkins

Stop saying that people want equal outcomes. We don't. Stop saying you want to equalize opportunity. You don't.

Just say what you really mean...there are sufficient opportunities for the p00rz...if they can't make it, life is not fair and it's their fault and they did not work hard enough.

BoatShoes;1638419 wrote:There absolutely 100% is not Equal Opportunity in this country. It is not even a debate. A kid born to a single mother in the projects does not have the same odds of success as a kid born to rich parents in the suburbs. It is not even close. Social mobility in the United States is putrid in comparison to the Nordic countries for example.

Conservatives need to stop with this "Equal Opportunity not Equal Outcome" Meme.

There is no Progressive Liberal Democrat of Consequence who wants anything close to equal outcomes in this country. None. Zero.

The communists were purged from relevance in the 60's with the rise of Rawlsian Liberalism.

And of course, Conservatives always oppose things that would generate more equal opportunity like universal pre-school...it's always a boondoggle and waste of taxpayer money. Yada, yada yada.

What you conservatives really mean to say is that there is sufficient opportunity. It is obvious that there is not equal opportunity. What you really mean is that the opportunities for the p00rz are sufficient enough that if they work hard and don't do drugs and stuff they can succeed....blah blah the same old tropes that ignore all evidence.

Take this exhaustive longitudinal study of 800 poor people. Guess what they stay poor. This is the rule. The Horatio Alger myths that Conservatives use to fight actual attempts to equalize opportunity are the exceedingly rare exception.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-06-17/news/bs-md-rodricks-0617-20140616_1_west-baltimore-hopkins-sociologist-johns-hopkins

Stop saying that people want equal outcomes. We don't. Stop saying you want to equalize opportunity. You don't.

Just say what you really mean...there are sufficient opportunities for the p00rz...if they can't make it, life is not fair and it's their fault and they did not work hard enough.

Not really in the scope of the conversation I was having, but I will bite. I will try to be careful with my post, because you are a well known selective reader and will make a major reach to paint anyone as a racist.

Are you trying to tell me only "minorities" and "women" are born into poor families? What about the white males who are born into poor families? Should we change affirmative action from race to affirmative action for people who were born into poor families (only non whites males though)? LOL.

Not really sure how that is anyone's fault other than the parents who decided to have a child when their financial situation suggested against it. There is no way to solve this unless we create a socialist utopia, which based on your full retard posts, that dream is exactly what you jerk off to. We have a black president in office. When will the excuses ever end?

We placed the Japanese into concentration camps. Do they still QQ a storm and demand preferential treatment? I definitely don't see them bitching. It is amazing what people can do when they have TWO parents who place an emphasis on discipline and education. OH MAN, what a noble concept.

Cue your next butt hurt full retard post though...

like_that;1638336 wrote:Yeah, because sleeper=every white person in a hiring position. I'm sure black people don't have the same thoughts running through their heads when they are in hiring positions. /sarcasm

I don't know a single person who wouldn't hire someone because of their skin color or treat them poorly on that alone. Even D. Sterling, labeled the biggest racist ever because of 10% of his privately recorded conversation said something bad about minorities has an organization that is employed by 80% black people.

However, its a bit backwards to think that there isn't that voice in the back of your mind when you see a minority pop out of nowhere with a new job in your company BECAUSE of the current laws we have. As stated, I work with minorities and the majority of them are just as competent as anyone else(SHOCKER!). I have also stated that there is a high correlation between poor job performance and darker skin just from my personal experience.

Again, when are black people going to grow up and start accepting responsibility that if they fail its their own damn fault and not white people holding them down?

sleeper;1638435 wrote:I don't know a single person who wouldn't hire someone because of their skin color or treat them poorly on that alone. Even D. Sterling, labeled the biggest racist ever because of 10% of his privately recorded conversation said something bad about minorities has an organization that is employed by 80% black people.

However, its a bit backwards to think that there isn't that voice in the back of your mind when you see a minority pop out of nowhere with a new job in your company BECAUSE of the current laws we have. As stated, I work with minorities and the majority of them are just as competent as anyone else(SHOCKER!). I have also stated that there is a high correlation between poor job performance and darker skin just from my personal experience.

Again, when are black people going to grow up and start accepting responsibility that if they fail its their own damn fault and not white people holding them down?

This is all the fault of every white male. Don't believe me? Just ask boatshoes and gblock.

HitsRus;1638308 wrote:Hey, sticks and stones, man. I interpreted your post as playing the race card... because "we all know" that conservatives think blacks vote democratic for handouts and stuff. Maybe I'm just too sensitive to this stuff. My cousin who I love dearly is a Progressive, and fairly often some links to progressive websites comes thru on her facebook page. They constantly are making "canards" ( to use boatshoes' term) about what conservatives think...just so they can ridicule it. I'd be pretty certain that conservative sites do the same thing. It doesn't change the fact that particular one is tantamount to playing the 'race card'. You don't have to agree with me. Sticks and stones.

It is so easy to hate someone when you can attach a label complete with 'undesirable' attributes isn't it?

Speaking of "painfully stupid"....have you read the last page of this thread?
Who's in charge here????:RpS_w00t:

I guess from my perspective here, to not count comments made by Sleeper (who tends to exaggerate in a trolling way to make points) and CCrunner (pure derp, all the time), the "blacks are D because they're looking for handouts" card does come from various conservative posters here (Belly, in particular, after one uses Rosetta Stone to translate his posts to actual English), which is what led to my initial post. I mean, if some people on one side are willing to essentially label one particular group to make a point, then why shouldn't people on the other side do the same sort of thing in opposition to it. A "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" sort of thing. Which is what made me look at the concept of "it's funny someone is just using certain groups to make their point instead of all minorities" as strange, since I see certain Rs on this site do it regularly, except they focus on the groups that are, in general, less successful.

As for the last point, yeah. I'll accept responsibility on that. Slow day and watching MB turn into Isadore Jr. was amusing enough to me that I just kept him going until stuff picked up for me and I lost interest in his ineffectual attempts at taking jabs. So in this case, the #573273475 thread on this site that got taken wildly off course, it's my bad for encouraging him to be himself.

like_that;1638429 wrote:Not really in the scope of the conversation I was having, but I will bite. I will try to be careful with my post, because you are a well known selective reader and will make a major reach to paint anyone as a racist.

Are you trying to tell me only "minorities" and "women" are born into poor families? What about the white males who are born into poor families? Should we change affirmative action from race to affirmative action for people who were born into poor families (only non whites males though)? LOL.

Not really sure how that is anyone's fault other than the parents who decided to have a child when their financial situation suggested against it. There is no way to solve this unless we create a socialist utopia, which based on your full retard posts, that dream is exactly what you jerk off to. We have a black president in office. When will the excuses ever end?

We placed the Japanese into concentration camps. Do they still QQ a storm and demand preferential treatment? I definitely don't see them bitching. It is amazing what people can do when they have TWO parents who place an emphasis on discipline and education. OH MAN, what a noble concept.

Cue your next butt hurt full retard post though...

I agree with a lot of your points there. To me, there's a big logic-fail in placing social and fiscal conservatism together. Fiscal C has a lot of pragmatic logic to it, which I can definitely respect, especially as I get older (and coming into some solid $$$ via inheritance stuff doesn't hurt, either). Things like "don't have kids unless you have a financial plan other than going on welfare" should be ingrained in a person's mind.

But there's a lot of stupidity out there, which leads to the welfare state philosophy. With a big problem in that social "bible-thumping" conservatism is anti-abortion because it's soooo important to preserve god's life (unless it's a war, then kill those foreigners!!!!) and, at the extremes, anti-birth control.

So, what do you get? A lot of uneducated people popping out kids they can't support that we, as a people, have to support. To me, pure logic dictates that a person or family's income should dictate how many children (if any) they are allowed to have and fuck this "all life is sacred" bullshit, since just like everything else, that "rule" has so many exceptions made to it that it doesn't actually matter.

To me, I think conservatism would resonate with the people a lot more if only the fiscal part really came into play. As time goes on in any society, views change on things and time is showing that a lot of social conservative ideals seem to be becoming viewed as outdated and archaic, leading to the R side essentially shooting itself in the foot by trying to play to too many groups.

like_that;1638429 wrote:Not really in the scope of the conversation I was having, but I will bite. I will try to be careful with my post, because you are a well known selective reader and will make a major reach to paint anyone as a racist.

Are you trying to tell me only "minorities" and "women" are born into poor families? What about the white males who are born into poor families? Should we change affirmative action from race to affirmative action for people who were born into poor families (only non whites males though)? LOL.

Not really sure how that is anyone's fault other than the parents who decided to have a child when their financial situation suggested against it. There is no way to solve this unless we create a socialist utopia, which based on your full retard posts, that dream is exactly what you jerk off to. We have a black president in office. When will the excuses ever end?

We placed the Japanese into concentration camps. Do they still QQ a storm and demand preferential treatment? I definitely don't see them bitching. It is amazing what people can do when they have TWO parents who place an emphasis on discipline and education. OH MAN, what a noble concept.

Cue your next butt hurt full retard post though...

1. Try as you might you will not find any post where I have painted conservative posters here as racist. Sorry, you're wrong. What I have done is ridicule the widespread notion that poor people of all races have equal opportunity with middle class and rich people. This false meme is what Conservatives appeal to when they justify a lack of public intervention on the part of the least well off.

"Stop bitching" IMHO is not an adequate response.

FWIW, I do not know how we got started on Affirmative Action but I have mentioned before that I think AA programs probably start too late in life. Would probably be better to equalize opportunity earlier in people's lives but that is neither here nor there.

2. How is it the fault of a child that he or she was born to irresponsible parents of any race? Too bad though, life is not fair. Stop bitching and deal with the hand god dealt. That is your position yes?

3. As you say, "There is no way to solve it" so that is what you really mean. Just say what you mean. You do not care about creating better opportunities for the poor. Stop bitching and work hard is your mantra. That is fine, own it.

Manhattan Buckeye;1638280 wrote:I'm only pretentious because you guys suck so much. When you stop being jerks to people, I'll warm up to you.

And I know FFT (even from JJhuddle), F4F, not as much but he seemed to be pretty smart. You tools lock on to people and just attack, like Heretic did. Its too bad because a lot of us are actually relatively successful and can help out......but randomly going nuts on posters isn't cool. Heretic should step down or apologize.

LOL wtf are you even talking about???

BoatShoes;1638498 wrote:1. Try as you might you will not find any post where I have painted conservative posters here as racist. Sorry, you're wrong. What I have done is ridicule the widespread notion that poor people of all races have equal opportunity with middle class and rich people. This false meme is what Conservatives appeal to when they justify a lack of public intervention on the part of the least well off.

"Stop bitching" IMHO is not an adequate response.

FWIW, I do not know how we got started on Affirmative Action but I have mentioned before that I think AA programs probably start too late in life. Would probably be better to equalize opportunity earlier in people's lives but that is neither here nor there.

2. How is it the fault of a child that he or she was born to irresponsible parents of any race? Too bad though, life is not fair. Stop bitching and deal with the hand god dealt. That is your position yes?

3. As you say, "There is no way to solve it" so that is what you really mean. Just say what you mean. You do not care about creating better opportunities for the poor. Stop bitching and work hard is your mantra. That is fine, own it.

I care about creating opportunities for the poor but not just minorities. Creating opportunities doesn't always translate into people taking those opportunities especially given that you can just sit on your ass and collect welfare checks for your 8 children with 5 different fathers.

Glad I returned to a solid meltdown by MB. No better welcome back.

HitsRus;1638301 wrote:Yeah, like 1940 is soooo relevant today. If you think that this type of labeling is wrong why do you advocate perpetuating it? Why should we keep doing it?

Furthermore your implication that because SOME whites were racist and bigots 75 years ago, ALL whites are racists for ever and ever is logical jello.

I don't pretend to speak for Dr. King...a man I grew up admiring. But there are plenty of other people who make a living pretending to speak for King, and I don't think that's all straight up. Read the man's words. Don't let somebody with an agenda tell you how to interpret those words. King was a very intelligent man, and I think he chose his words carefully.

Reps!!!!

like_that;1638429 wrote:Not really in the scope of the conversation I was having, but I will bite. I will try to be careful with my post, because you are a well known selective reader and will make a major reach to paint anyone as a racist.

Are you trying to tell me only "minorities" and "women" are born into poor families? What about the white males who are born into poor families? Should we change affirmative action from race to affirmative action for people who were born into poor families (only non whites males though)? LOL.

Not really sure how that is anyone's fault other than the parents who decided to have a child when their financial situation suggested against it. There is no way to solve this unless we create a socialist utopia, which based on your full retard posts, that dream is exactly what you jerk off to. We have a black president in office. When will the excuses ever end?

We placed the Japanese into concentration camps. Do they still QQ a storm and demand preferential treatment? I definitely don't see them bitching. It is amazing what people can do when they have TWO parents who place an emphasis on discipline and education. OH MAN, what a noble concept.

Cue your next butt hurt full retard post though...

I've been screaming this for years. We are dealing more with classism than we are racism. Some people don't want to acknowledge that fact.

I'm an old white guy...I'll take all the blame. Why? ...because me and the rest of my buddy OWGs got all the money and we really don't GAF what you say about us.

like_that wrote: We placed the Japanese into concentration camps. Do they still QQ a storm and demand preferential treatment? I definitely don't see them bitching.

Gosh a ruddies. They were held in camps for 3 years. . They were not starved or beaten. Their families were kept together. They bitched a lot about it over the years and they received reparations from the US government.

Anyone ever stop and think that slavery may have been the best thing to ever happen to the majority of black people? With some exceptions, most slave owners gave their slaves food/shelter/medical care which already trumped their current life fighting wars and dying from diseases in Africa. Bounce forward 200+ years later and Africa is still a shithole while current black people get the royal treatment here in America and can at least have the taxpayers bail them out if they ever get in trouble.

Are there any current black people that would prefer going back to Africa? Didn't think so.

gosh a ruddies blacks had to be kidnapped, chained and transported then kept by force in order to get them to leave Africa

isadore;1638904 wrote:gosh a ruddies blacks had to be kidnapped, chained and transported then kept by force in order to get them to leave Africa

By their own people.

sleeper;1638906 wrote:By their own people.

by other tribes and whites then transported and held in chattel slavery thousands of miles from their homes by whites for hundreds of years.

isadore;1638912 wrote:by other tribes and whites then transported and held in chattel slavery thousands of miles from their homes by whites for hundreds of years.

You clearly do not know anything about the history of Africa. So delusional.