robj55;1632677 wrote:You didn't answer my question, then why aren't advanced stats use when comparing players on a common basis?

lhslep134;1632675 wrote:HOW THE ACTUAL F*CK DOES IT NOT??? You're now arguing against an obvious fact, a staple of FW. Congrats

True shooting percentage does a BETTER JOB of detailing what factually happened.

Since you're advanced metric retarded, this conversation is over. Enjoy simmering in your primordial soup of basketball analysis.

Laley23;1632679 wrote:And people use them all the time. We see this shit on all the highlight graphics for NBA, NFL and especially MLB where it is most prevelant because it has been around the longest. NBA GMs (I forget what show I was listening too) are negotiating down based on the stuff LHS is using for the free agents and the agents of players are using it to negotiate up when applicable. EVERYONE is using advanced metrics. Just because we didnt before (because...well, people didnt really know about them or have a good formula for them) doesnt make them any less valuable today. And they are much, MUCH more valuable today then basic stats.

robj55;1632678 wrote:No he looked that way in the finals, he didn't look that way the rest of the season. If you didn't know who it was and I told you player A averaged 19 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg on 55% shooting as a TWO guard while only taking 14 shots per game and playing just over 32 mpg you would say that player is fantastic. There has been am overreaction since the finals performance, just like Pat Riley said.

Laley23;1632679 wrote:And people use them all the time. We see this shit on all the highlight graphics for NBA, NFL and especially MLB where it is most prevelant because it has been around the longest. NBA GMs (I forget what show I was listening too) are negotiating down based on the stuff LHS is using for the free agents and the agents of players are using it to negotiate up when applicable. EVERYONE is using advanced metrics. Just because we didnt before (because...well, people didnt really know about them or have a good formula for them) doesnt make them any less valuable today. And they are much, MUCH more valuable today then basic stats.

robj55;1632662 wrote:Once again you spin it because you were wrong. Carry on. I can tell about 2 people on here ever even touched a basketball in their lives. Referring to those metrics as your main argument means nothing to me in the end. Just a way for you to skew an argument in your favor. The facts are that Wade averaged 19, 5 and 5 on 55% shooting, that's what happened.

Laley23;1632683 wrote:The Heat were on all the time. I saw plenty of games. LeBron was the guy and Wade and Bosh fed off him. The difference, when Bosh got the ball and had to create, he could still use his quickness and athleticism to do so. Wade really struggled with it. He struggled making those quick, reactive, athletic plays on O and D. Its why his Win Shares went almost in half, despite having a better year (according to your stats) then last year.

Rotinaj;1632686 wrote:This argument is the worst and you bring it up daily.

lhslep134;1632680 wrote:Because most people are like you and they 1) don't know what the stat means; 2) don't know how to apply it; and 3) doesn't help you understand.

Knowledgeable fans use advanced metrics all the time because only other knowledgeable fans understand them.

Laley23;1632693 wrote:Would anyone be able to tell you it was "just unlucky" that CJ Wilson sucked for 2 years in the postseason based on the fact that its just a small sample size and a bad outing skews it...OF COURSE.

Then advanced metrics shows WHY he got his ass handed to him.


We are getting to this point in other sports as well...

robj55;1632688 wrote:Well based on what is spewed out around here am I lying?

robj55;1632687 wrote:If he struggled then how did he shoot 55% from the field? Like I said he was still able to get the shots he wanted and make them, if he had shot in the low 40's I would agree with all of you no problem. Again, he shot 8 percentage points higher than Kobe Bryant EVER has in a season.

robj55;1632684 wrote: just that I would never base my argument off of that

sleeper;1632697 wrote:You are the one trying to argue that Wade is a top 25 player. LOL

I wouldn't want Wade on my weekly pickup game team much less my NBA team.

lhslep134;1632699 wrote:This is an admittance of the fact that you're limiting your understanding of the game by giving credence to archaic stats over advanced stats.

robj55;1632690 wrote:haha oh now you have to revert to slandering me? Knowledgeable fans do not use advanced metrics all the time.

lhslep134;1632654 wrote:And they also shot 3's.

robj55;1632703 wrote:Like I said tsp benefits those who take three pointers and bad shots and penalizes those who don't.

lhslep134;1632704 wrote:Yes, they do. COA, like_that, Laley, and others on here, along with myself, have been using them for the past 2 years on here.

I'm not slandering you, if you refuse to acknowledge the value of advanced metrics relative to archaic ones, you're NOT knowledgeable because you're missing out on a good chunk of the story.

robj55;1632701 wrote:Yes and you can't name me close to 25 better so your argument means nothing.

lhslep134;1632706 wrote:So someone more effective at making 3's and less effective at making 2's, while still overall having a higher TS%, is somehow detrimental to the team? And you're claiming to be knowledgeable????

robj55;1632701 wrote:Yes and you can't name me close to 25 better so your argument means nothing.