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Jul 3, 2014 1:33 PM
Rotinaj;1632708 wrote:Dwades minutes are going to keep going down and down and I highly doubt he will ever play more than 65ish regular season games again. You are insane if you don't think there are at least 25 players in the league that a team would rather have.
What does the future have to do with right now? You're talking about a completely different argument. I said name me 25 players based on 2013-2014 that are better than DWade. What you're saying is NOT what I said, not even close.
Jul 3, 2014 1:33pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:34 PM
robj55;1632709 wrote:Who in the league is more effective at making 3's than 2's? How does that make sense in any way? 3's are the lowest percentage shot in the game.
Reading comprehension...

He's saying more effective than Wade at making 3s and less effective than him at making 2s.
Jul 3, 2014 1:34pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:35 PM
robj55;1632709 wrote:Who in the league is more effective at making 3's than 2's? How does that make sense in any way? 3's are the lowest percentage shot in the game.
Compared to your bullshit Wade argument. I'm discussing players that are more efficient at scoring than Wade (hence higher TS%) because while they may shoot less than 55% from the field, the fact that a 3 is worth more than a 2 makes up for it.

Your insistence on using shooting percentage rather than TS% necessarily means you have no regard for the difference between a field goal being worth 3 points and being worth 2 points. That, sir, is idiotic and shows a lack of knowledge, logic, and understanding.
Jul 3, 2014 1:35pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:36 PM
Heretic;1632713 wrote:Reading comprehension...

He's saying more effective than Wade at making 3s and less effective than him at making 2s.
Reps for being able to exercise reading comprehension!!
Jul 3, 2014 1:36pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:37 PM
robj55;1632709 wrote:Who in the league is more effective at making 3's than 2's? How does that make sense in any way? 3's are the lowest percentage shot in the game.
Kyle Korver has. I think this year even.
Jul 3, 2014 1:37pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:38 PM
sleeper;1632711 wrote:1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. George
4. CP3
5. Love
6. Curry
7. Anthony
8. Griffin
9. Harden
10. Howard
11. Davis
12. Wall
13. Lilliard
14. Aldridge
15. Irving
16. Derozan
17. Duncan
18. Parker
19. Cousins
20. Ibaka
21. Bosh
22. Noah
23. Nowitzi
24. Hibbert
25. Dragic
26. Ginobli
27. Rondo
28. Deng
29. Lopez
30. Holiday
31. Westbrook
32. Randolph
33. Lee
34. M. Gasol
35. P. Gasol
36. Kobe
37. Carter Williams
38. D. Jordan
39. A. Jefferson
40. Rudy Gay

There's 40. Do I need to keep going? I could name 150 players better than fucking Wade. He's garbage and he's the reason the Heat will never win another championship.
Bolded are no and LOL at some of those. Hibbert, Rondo, Deng Deandre Jordan, Carter Williams, Holiday, David Lee, Dragic, just lol. Keep grasping for straws man, terrible
Jul 3, 2014 1:38pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:38 PM
Sleeper, that was list a list and not your ranking right?
Jul 3, 2014 1:38pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:38 PM
Laley23;1632717 wrote:Kyle Korver has. I think this year even.
So one player?, that's not going to sway me. If it were the norm then fine.
Jul 3, 2014 1:38pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:38 PM
lhslep134;1632720 wrote:Sleeper, that was list a list and not your ranking right?
The list was terrible, you and I both know it.
Jul 3, 2014 1:38pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:38 PM
lhslep134;1632714 wrote:Compared to your bullshit Wade argument. I'm discussing players that are more efficient at scoring than Wade (hence higher TS%) because while they may shoot less than 55% from the field, the fact that a 3 is worth more than a 2 makes up for it.

Your insistence on using shooting percentage rather than TS% necessarily means you have no regard for the difference between a field goal being worth 3 points and being worth 2 points. That, sir, is idiotic and shows a lack of knowledge, logic, and understanding.
Yes.

PROTIP: If shooter A hits 40% of his 3s and shooter B hits 60% of his 2s and both shooters shoot 100 times, they've scored the same amount of points (assuming FTs aren't in the equation).
Jul 3, 2014 1:38pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:39 PM
lhslep134;1632720 wrote:Sleeper, that was list a list and not your ranking right?
It's just a list. I'm not going to waste time nit picking if someone is #5 or #8. Don't give a fuck. Wade is not a top 50 player in this league and if he makes anything above $1M next year coming off the bench the Heat have 0% chance of winning a championship.
Jul 3, 2014 1:39pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:39 PM
lhslep134;1632710 wrote:My favorite part of the list of those 66 players with a season more valuable than Wade's was that 7 of them came before the advent of the 3 point line, shitting on Rob's argument.
You mean the 66 shooting guards who didn't shoot 55% from the field while scoring at least 19 ppg?
Jul 3, 2014 1:39pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:40 PM
And, yeah, give me Steph Curry, who is a threat to score from anywhere, over Wade who has to be 5 feet inside the arc before you need to guard him. Dont care that curry didnt shoot 55%.
Jul 3, 2014 1:40pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:40 PM
lhslep134;1632714 wrote:Compared to your bullshit Wade argument. I'm discussing players that are more efficient at scoring than Wade (hence higher TS%) because while they may shoot less than 55% from the field, the fact that a 3 is worth more than a 2 makes up for it.

Your insistence on using shooting percentage rather than TS% necessarily means you have no regard for the difference between a field goal being worth 3 points and being worth 2 points. That, sir, is idiotic and shows a lack of knowledge, logic, and understanding.
No they aren't more efficient, because if they were they would have learned how to get better shots and make them, that right there is efficiency my friend.
Jul 3, 2014 1:40pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:41 PM
robj55;1632725 wrote:You mean the 66 shooting guards who didn't shoot 55% from the field while scoring at least 19 ppg?
That's a poor argument because Wade does all his scoring in the paint. Mainly because he can't hit a jumper to save his life.
Jul 3, 2014 1:41pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:41 PM
Laley23;1632726 wrote:And, yeah, give me Steph Curry, who is a threat to score from anywhere, over Wade who has to be 5 feet inside the arc before you need to guard him. Dont care that curry didnt shoot 55%.
I had Curry as one of the ones who is better. Wade is an extremely good mid range jump shooter, always has been. Let's not act like Curry doesn't have deficiencies.
Jul 3, 2014 1:41pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:42 PM
Plus if it was a ranking, Harden would be #26.
Jul 3, 2014 1:42pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:42 PM
robj55;1632730 wrote:I had Curry as one of the ones who is better. Wade is an extremely good mid range jump shooter, always has been. Let's not act like Curry doesn't have deficiencies.
Curry has two functioning knees and has never shit the bed with the best player on the planet in the NBA finals.
Jul 3, 2014 1:42pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:43 PM
Dr. KnOiTaLL;1632729 wrote:That's a poor argument because Wade does all his scoring in the paint. Mainly because he can't hit a jumper to save his life.
No he doesn't he shoots it extremely well from mid range and the long two. Also the point of the game is to get the best shots available to have a higher chance of scoring, Wade understands that and does that. He doesn't need to shoot it 20-22 times a game to get his points and contribute.
Jul 3, 2014 1:43pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:43 PM
robj55;1632721 wrote:So one player?, that's not going to sway me. If it were the norm then fine.
Well, I was just saying it happens. I didnt bother looking. He was literally the 2nd players I googled.

EDIT: LOL just googled a 3rd player...Steph Curry did it last year. I am 2/3 on hunches. (Reggie Miller never did, who was first...also my favorite player so I was curious.)
Jul 3, 2014 1:43pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:43 PM
sleeper;1632711 wrote:1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. George
4. CP3
5. Love
6. Curry
7. Anthony
8. Griffin
9. Harden
10. Howard
11. Davis
12. Wall
13. Lilliard
14. Aldridge
15. Irving
16. Derozan
17. Duncan
18. Parker
19. Cousins
20. Ibaka
21. Bosh
22. Noah
23. Nowitzi
24. Hibbert
25. Dragic
26. Ginobli
27. Rondo
28. Deng
29. Lopez
30. Holiday
31. Westbrook
32. Randolph
33. Lee
34. M. Gasol
35. P. Gasol
36. Kobe
37. Carter Williams
38. D. Jordan
39. A. Jefferson
40. Rudy Gay

There's 40. Do I need to keep going? I could name 150 players better than fucking Wade. He's garbage and he's the reason the Heat will never win another championship.
For argument sake, I bolded the guys I don't think are as good as Wade. Many are still improving though. Wade's ability is decreasing, and the fact that he is very injury prone devalues him.
Jul 3, 2014 1:43pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:44 PM
sleeper;1632735 wrote:Curry has two functioning knees and has never shit the bed with the best player on the planet in the NBA finals.
Wade averaged 15 ppg in the finals, let's see Curry even get there and win a ring. Wade is the third best SG of all time. Oh and Curry doesn't have bad knees he has shit ankles.
Jul 3, 2014 1:44pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:44 PM
If we really want efficient, we need to look at points per shot...
Jul 3, 2014 1:44pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:45 PM
Dr. KnOiTaLL;1632738 wrote:For argument sake, I bolded the guys I don't think are as good as Wade. Many are still improving though. Wade's ability is decreasing, and the fact that he is very injury prone devalues him.
smh man, we are talking about based on 2013-2014. Terrible
Jul 3, 2014 1:45pm
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Jul 3, 2014 1:46 PM
robj55;1632727 wrote:No they aren't more efficient, because if they were they would have learned how to get better shots and make them, that right there is efficiency my friend.
Here's the definition of true shooting from basketball-reference. I will bold the word that you have definitively shown you have no idea what it means:
True shooting percentage is a measure of shooting efficiency that takes into account field goals, 3-point field goals, and free throws
Jul 3, 2014 1:46pm