Laley23
Posts: 29,506
May 20, 2014 9:12pm
Oladipo was better than Waiters last year playing completely out of position.Pick6;1618084 wrote:who cares, Oladipo isn't going to be much better than Dion, if at all. It would have been a dumb pick. I personally wanted them to go with Noel, but I'm not ready to give up on Bennett. He showed some flashes. He doesn't need to be a superstar, just an above average role player.
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Pick6
Posts: 14,946
May 20, 2014 9:16pm
I disagree. virtually identical.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 20, 2014 9:19pm
Why do you guys think Embiid is going to be a bust?
Honestly, did you watch him play? I mean it's his third year of playing fucking basketball, and he's dominating. I want him #1.
Honestly, did you watch him play? I mean it's his third year of playing fucking basketball, and he's dominating. I want him #1.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
May 20, 2014 9:21pm
He will own if healthy. Bad backs with 7' is a scary thought though. If you are 3rd, and he falls, its a no brainer. But with Wiggins on the board, you just take him and dont think twice.SportsAndLady;1618092 wrote:Why do you guys think Embiid is going to be a bust?
Honestly, did you watch him play? I mean it's his third year of playing fucking basketball, and he's dominating. I want him #1.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
May 20, 2014 9:21pm
I was not/am not very high on Oladipo, but I would still prefer him to Waiters or Bennett.Laley23;1618081 wrote:I think its Mulva....
I don't think I hated him, though. Just thought he was an overrated defender and didn't have a very high ceiling.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
May 20, 2014 9:23pm
Like Laley said, nothing to do with playing ability.SportsAndLady;1618092 wrote:Why do you guys think Embiid is going to be a bust?
Honestly, did you watch him play? I mean it's his third year of playing fucking basketball, and he's dominating. I want him #1.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
May 20, 2014 9:24pm
Numbers are identical, but Id give a slight edge to VO.Pick6;1618090 wrote:I disagree. virtually identical.
But, considering how much more involved in a game VO is, how much better defensively, and the fact he was playing PG for the first time ever, I think he wins going away. Also has a tremendous upside that I dont see with Waiters. I liked the pick for the Cavs when they made it, but I wouldve drafted over him with Oladipo in a heartbeat.
I know people think I am biased, but in 2 years (Oladipos 3rd), we will see exactly what he can do. He is too good combined with too much athleticism to not be a very, very good player in the league.
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slingshot4ever
Posts: 4,085
May 20, 2014 9:26pm
If it were my choice, I'd go with Wiggins. I would stay away from Embiid in the #1 spot due to health concerns. You can't draft a Greg Oden, not after Bennett flopped last year. Too much of a risk. I would take Wiggins over Parker as I think Wiggins has a better defensive game than Parker does. When Wiggins guarded Parker int he Champions Classic, he shut him down.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
May 20, 2014 9:30pm
Hopefully the Cavs have Embiid going through extensive medicial testing. Make sure nothing structurally wrong with that back. If every thing checks out ok, then he should be the selection. But if even the smallest red flag with his back, then they need to look at Wiggins/Parker.
Ytowngirlinfla
Posts: 2,295
May 20, 2014 9:31pm
Wiggins please. Do not take a big man with back issues.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 20, 2014 9:34pm
This.HighRoller74;1618099 wrote:Hopefully the Cavs have Embiid going through extensive medicial testing. Make sure nothing structurally wrong with that back. If every thing checks out ok, then he should be the selection. But if even the smallest red flag with his back, then they need to look at Wiggins/Parker.
Embiid, if 100% healthy, has a chance to be one of the best players in the NBA. You don't pass on that, if you feel there are no health concerns.
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KB0938
Posts: 900
May 20, 2014 9:37pm
Even after testing the Blazers picked up Oden though.
Don't see a need to even take the risk when you have 2 sure thing wing players in Wiggins n Parker. If Embiid never had any injuries It'd be a legit debate but I think that issue pretty much sealed his fate as not going #1.(at least for Cleveland's sake I hope so)
Don't see a need to even take the risk when you have 2 sure thing wing players in Wiggins n Parker. If Embiid never had any injuries It'd be a legit debate but I think that issue pretty much sealed his fate as not going #1.(at least for Cleveland's sake I hope so)
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
May 20, 2014 9:42pm
I don't recall Oden having knee injuries before the major one.KB0938;1618104 wrote:Even after testing the Blazers picked up Oden though.
Don't see a need to even take the risk when you have 2 sure thing wing players in Wiggins n Parker. If Embiid never had any injuries It'd be a legit debate but I think that issue pretty much sealed his fate as not going #1.(at least for Cleveland's sake I hope so)
Any player is one freak accident away from being forever injured like Oden. Could happen to any player, even athletic wings, look at Shaun Livingston, he's just now getting back to a decent player like 6 years post accident.
You can't let Oden scare you off of a player. If the back is healthy, and no other red flags Embiid established himself as the #1 pick with his play this year.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 20, 2014 9:44pm
Wiggins is no sure thing.KB0938;1618104 wrote:Even after testing the Blazers picked up Oden though.
Don't see a need to even take the risk when you have 2 sure thing wing players in Wiggins n Parker. If Embiid never had any injuries It'd be a legit debate but I think that issue pretty much sealed his fate as not going #1.(at least for Cleveland's sake I hope so)
Also, Anthony Davis had health concerns, and he is doing just fine.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
May 20, 2014 9:45pm
Cavs need a wing. Take a wing.
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KB0938
Posts: 900
May 20, 2014 9:45pm
a 7 footer with a back injury even if he gets cleared by doctors is much more likely to get hurt however than a wing player w no.injuries to speak of really. Big guys 7 foot n above have always been more injury prone.
The upside on Wiggins is just as high IMO and less risk, that's all I'm sayin
The upside on Wiggins is just as high IMO and less risk, that's all I'm sayin
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slingshot4ever
Posts: 4,085
May 20, 2014 9:47pm
Would Lebron more strongly consider a return to Cleveland now knowing he gets Kyrie with Wiggins/Parker?
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
May 20, 2014 9:48pm
I'll be happy with either one, as long as they due their due diligence on his back.KB0938;1618110 wrote:a 7 footer with a back injury even if he gets cleared by doctors is much more likely to get hurt however than a wing player w no.injuries to speak of really. Big guys 7 foot n above have always been more injury prone.
The upside on Wiggins is just as high IMO and less risk, that's all I'm sayin
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KB0938
Posts: 900
May 20, 2014 9:50pm
Nobody is 100% sure thing aside from Bron really. But Wiggins is a pretttty damn safe betSportsAndLady;1618108 wrote:Wiggins is no sure thing.
Also, Anthony Davis had health concerns, and he is doing just fine.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
May 20, 2014 9:54pm
I think he'd be most likely if he was coming to join Kyrie and Love.slingshot4ever;1618112 wrote:Would Lebron more strongly consider a return to Cleveland now knowing he gets Kyrie with Wiggins/Parker?
mucalum49
Posts: 1,639
May 20, 2014 9:55pm
If Embiid's back checks out I think it'll be tough to pass another high potential center. Didn't take Jonas V in 2010 or Drummond in 2011. Embiid looks to have greater potential than those two IMO so as long as he's healthy I think they go with him. I can see a case made for Wiggins/Embiid/Parker and won't be upset with who we get out of the three.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 20, 2014 9:55pm
I watched every single game of his (outside of like 2 early games that weren't televised), he is not a safe bet. He disappears in games, and often looks confused on offense.KB0938;1618114 wrote:Nobody is 100% sure thing aside from Bron really. But Wiggins is a pretttty damn safe bet
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KB0938
Posts: 900
May 20, 2014 10:08pm
I can't say toooo much on Embiid as i didn't see him play that often, just a handful of times. But from watching him,and lookin at the box scores he doesn't seem to be a sure thing himself and couple that w a back injury for a 7 footer and id just feel safer if.I were Cleveland taking Wiggins
Either way, having this decision to make is a very good problem for Cleveland Lol
Either way, having this decision to make is a very good problem for Cleveland Lol
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 20, 2014 10:40pm
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
May 20, 2014 10:42pm
Mulva;1618014 wrote:We could get as low as 12th if 3 teams somehow jump to the top 3.
Better than dion?? I'd give you Bennett. Not dion. No way.Laley23;1618068 wrote:Oladipo had a really solid rookie year, and will be a MUCH better player than Dion. I think its you who hates him though, right? Maybe Im thinking of someone else.