reclegend22;1598171 wrote:Jim Calhoun had six McDonald's All-Americans to Tom Izzo's nine from 2000 on and won national titles in 2004 and 2011, in addition to the title he won in 1999. Louisville has also had just six McDonald's All-Americans since Rick Pitino took over.

Tom Izzo has had plenty of talent to work with compared to most schools. Duke and Carolina are who they are and of course attract insane amounts of Mickey Ds, but that's far from the norm. For example, Florida has just 11 of them since 2000. Two titles for Billy D.

Tom Izzo is a great coach. Not the best in the country. A 1-5 record of winning it all at the Final Four is just not that great.

mhs95_06;1598173 wrote:Out of six times, how many times did he get to the championship? Is he worse than .500 winning the first game?

Prescott;1598172 wrote:There is no 'Best in the Country" Hell, the guy who coached Mercer this might be the better than most.

reclegend22;1598176 wrote: His record at the Final Four just doesn't stack up.

Ironman92;1598162 wrote:SMH

My wife's ONLY bracket.

gut;1598177 wrote:That argument gets obliterated is MSU wins the championship this year - then Izzo would have 2 titles to go with 7 Final 4 appearances, matching Pitino and Williams, among others.

reclegend22;1598179 wrote:As I said in my first post about this, if Izzo wins another title this year, then I will include him in that conversation. As of the moment, he's great, but not as legendary as he is often made out to be.

gut;1598180 wrote:I'm just not seeing a statistically significant difference between 2 titles in 7 Final Four trips and 1 title.

If you want to say he has just 1 title instead of 2-3, then maybe. But 6 Final Four trips DOES NOT support your argument, even if he only has 1 win.

gut;1598180 wrote:I'm just not seeing a statistically significant difference between 2 titles in 7 Final Four trips and 1 title.

If you want to say he has just 1 title instead of 2-3, then maybe. But 6 Final Four trips DOES NOT support your argument, even if he only has 1 win.

SportsAndLady;1598182 wrote:You can't see the significance of 2 titles over 1?

SportsAndLady;1598182 wrote:You can't see the significance of 2 titles over 1?

gut;1598188 wrote:Statistical significance, yes. 2 in 7 is not a statistically significant difference from 1/6 or 1/7

vball10set;1598190 wrote:Sibert 0 for 3 in the first half with zero attempts in the second half...wow.

wildcats20;1598189 wrote:2 > 1.

That is literally all that matters in this discussion.

gut;1598192 wrote:If MSU wins the title this year, it will show how stupid your argument is because he's still the same coach 2 weeks from now.

The point I was making is if Pitino and Williams only have 2 titles in 7 trips...then it kind of tells you it's REALLY hard to win the title. While 33 coaches might have 1 title, how many of those have been to 6+ Final Fours?

If you want to look at a guy's career and say 1 title doesn't cut it, that's fine. But 6 Final Fours doesn't help your case, it puts him in elite company.

reclegend22;1598197 wrote:Dayton getting absolutely no calls down the stretch. Would make it especially great to see them pull of a miracle comeback and take down Florida. Flyers hanging around, but time is running out.