HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Mar 10, 2014 2:32pm
Really? No need for reconcilliation? for self introspection?... "if we live our lives accordingly"....LOL... By your own admission(people doing "empty traditions") people don't live their lives accordingly. There are very few, if any, people who live their lives perfectly. There is nothing wrong with an organized religion using a special period to focus on self improvement....and as others have noted, it is not unique to Catholicsm....nor is it unique to Christianity.I know what Lent is. I know there are a lot of empty traditions in organized religion. I don't do empty traditions. There's no need for a "period of reconciliation" if we live our lives accordingly
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MontyBrunswick
Mar 10, 2014 2:40pm
I doHitsRus;1588606 wrote:There are very few, if any, people who live their lives perfectly.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 10, 2014 3:18pm
I actually live my life perfectly. Please prove me wrong; and remember, if you can't prove me wrong then it's 100% fact.HitsRus;1588606 wrote:Really? No need for reconcilliation? for self introspection?... "if we live our lives accordingly"....LOL... By your own admission(people doing "empty traditions") people don't live their lives accordingly. There are very few, if any, people who live their lives perfectly. There is nothing wrong with an organized religion using a special period to focus on self improvement....and as others have noted, it is not unique to Catholicsm....nor is it unique to Christianity.
OSH
Posts: 4,145
Mar 10, 2014 3:24pm
Individuals can use their own "special period" for reconciliation, self-introspection, etc. etc. etc. -- never said otherwise. Why do they need another cookie-cutter tradition prescribed by some individual to tell them when it should be?HitsRus;1588606 wrote:Really? No need for reconcilliation? for self introspection?... "if we live our lives accordingly"....LOL... By your own admission(people doing "empty traditions") people don't live their lives accordingly. There are very few, if any, people who live their lives perfectly. There is nothing wrong with an organized religion using a special period to focus on self improvement....and as others have noted, it is not unique to Catholicsm....nor is it unique to Christianity.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 10, 2014 4:11pm
Here's an idea...Have your priests stop raping little boys
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Mar 10, 2014 4:37pm
I find it ironic that the agnostics/atheists on here do more preaching and proselytizing than anyone else. Every topic that even remotely touches faith or religion is guaranteed to get the same selection of posters going on with the same arguments about why they find religion/faith stupid.
We get it already - you don't see the need for religion. Great, good for you.
We get it already - you don't see the need for religion. Great, good for you.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 10, 2014 4:39pm
DeyDurkie5;1588547 wrote:Look..religion as a whole is dying. We all realize it.
Over the past century, the number of Catholics around the globe has more than tripled, from an estimated 291 million in 1910 to nearly 1.1 billion as of 2010, according to acomprehensive demographic study by the Pew Research Center.
But over the same period, the world’s overall population also has risen rapidly. As a result, Catholics have made up a remarkably stable share of all people on Earth. In 1910, Catholics comprised about half (48%) of all Christians and 17% of the world’s total population, according to historical estimates from the World Christian Database. A century later, the Pew Research study found, Catholics still comprise about half (50%) of Christians worldwide and 16% of the total global population.
Sometimes the facts should be a part of the debate.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 10, 2014 4:44pm
sleeper;1588549 wrote: It's about time we eliminate the archaic and ignorant beliefs of believers and shame them for the intellectual frauds that they are.
I assume that is part of obama's "fundamental transformation of America", no?
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Mar 10, 2014 7:03pm
Individuals can use their own "special period" for reconciliation, self-introspection, etc. etc. etc. -- never said otherwise. Why do they need another cookie-cutter tradition prescribed by some individual to tell them when it should be?
They don't. If it is empty to you then don't do it. It is not empty to all. As far as 'traditions', most religions have them.
If a particular religion is not your vehicle to where you want to go spiritually, then find something that is.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Mar 10, 2014 11:49pm
There are some topics that once a thread is started regarding it, you just know how it's going to turn out every time. Religion is probably at the top of the list.Dr Winston O'Boogie;1588628 wrote:I find it ironic that the agnostics/atheists on here do more preaching and proselytizing than anyone else. Every topic that even remotely touches faith or religion is guaranteed to get the same selection of posters going on with the same arguments about why they find religion/faith stupid.
We get it already - you don't see the need for religion. Great, good for you.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Mar 10, 2014 11:50pm
So... What you guys giving up for lent?
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 11, 2014 12:52am
50 year old dudes fucking little boys.QuakerOats;1588630 wrote:Over the past century, the number of Catholics around the globe has more than tripled, from an estimated 291 million in 1910 to nearly 1.1 billion as of 2010, according to acomprehensive demographic study by the Pew Research Center.
But over the same period, the world’s overall population also has risen rapidly. As a result, Catholics have made up a remarkably stable share of all people on Earth. In 1910, Catholics comprised about half (48%) of all Christians and 17% of the world’s total population, according to historical estimates from the World Christian Database. A century later, the Pew Research study found, Catholics still comprise about half (50%) of Christians worldwide and 16% of the total global population.
Sometimes the facts should be a part of the debate.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 11, 2014 12:53am
Nothingernest_t_bass;1588777 wrote:So... What you guys giving up for lent?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 11, 2014 9:30am
The message cannot be refuted. I've always stated that if a message cannot be refuted, there is no need to relay any other message.Dr Winston O'Boogie;1588628 wrote:I find it ironic that the agnostics/atheists on here do more preaching and proselytizing than anyone else. Every topic that even remotely touches faith or religion is guaranteed to get the same selection of posters going on with the same arguments about why they find religion/faith stupid.
We get it already - you don't see the need for religion. Great, good for you.
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Mar 11, 2014 9:36am
You preach on hear more than any religious poster. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. One problem with overly-religious types is their obsession that everyone needs to see the world through their prism. In that sense, you're a very religious person as well. Again, this is your right. But the fact that you feel compelled to make an entry on every single thread that even touches matters of faith to state your overt denial of God is overkill.sleeper;1588822 wrote:The message cannot be refuted. I've always stated that if a message cannot be refuted, there is no need to relay any other message.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 11, 2014 9:38am
Refute the message or stop crying.Dr Winston O'Boogie;1588825 wrote:You preach on hear more than any religious poster. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. One problem with overly-religious types is their obsession that everyone needs to see the world through their prism. In that sense, you're a very religious person as well. Again, this is your right. But the fact that you feel compelled to make an entry on every single thread that even touches matters of faith to state your overt denial of God is overkill.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 11, 2014 9:53am
"Lent is about conversion, turning our lives more completely over to Christ and his way of life. That always involves giving up sin in some form. The goal is not just to abstain from sin for the duration of Lent but to root sin out of our lives forever. Conversion means leaving behind an old way of living and acting in order to embrace new life in Christ. For catechumens, Lent is a period intended to bring their initial conversion to completion."
Often we start out in younger years giving up certain food or drink, treats etc... then we move toward giving up certain (bad) habits, and what may be sinful. Lent is the time when we focus on these objectives, which we hopefully carry over in some fashion, always.
Often we start out in younger years giving up certain food or drink, treats etc... then we move toward giving up certain (bad) habits, and what may be sinful. Lent is the time when we focus on these objectives, which we hopefully carry over in some fashion, always.
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Mar 11, 2014 10:10am
I'm not refuting anything. I don't care what you or anyone else believes - you're entitled to you opinion. My point above was merely in pointing out the irony of how every time a religious topic comes up, you feel the need to preach. If it were some evangelical doing the same thing on every related, or not, topic, I'd point that out too.sleeper;1588826 wrote:Refute the message or stop crying.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 11, 2014 10:23am
Listing facts = preaching. LOL.Dr Winston O'Boogie;1588833 wrote:I'm not refuting anything. I don't care what you or anyone else believes - you're entitled to you opinion. My point above was merely in pointing out the irony of how every time a religious topic comes up, you feel the need to preach. If it were some evangelical doing the same thing on every related, or not, topic, I'd point that out too.
Grow up.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 11, 2014 5:12pm
[h=3]Prayer, fasting and almsgiving[/h]The three traditional pillars of Lenten observance are prayer, fasting and almsgiving. The key to renewed appropriation
of these practices is to see their link to baptismal renewal.
Prayer: More time given to prayer during Lent should draw us closer to the Lord. We might pray especially for the grace to live out our baptismal promises more fully. We might pray for the elect who will be baptized at Easter and support their conversion journey by our prayer. We might pray for all those who will celebrate the sacrament of reconciliation with us during Lent that they will be truly renewed in their baptismal commitment.
Fasting: Fasting is one of the most ancient practices linked to Lent. In fact, the paschal fast predates Lent as we know it. The early Church fasted intensely for two days before the celebration of the Easter Vigil. This fast was later extended and became a 40-day period of fasting leading up to Easter. Vatican II called us to renew the observance of the ancient paschal fast: "...let the paschal fast be kept sacred. Let it be celebrated everywhere on Good Friday and, where possible, prolonged throughout Holy Saturday, so that the joys of the Sunday of the Resurrection may be attained with uplifted and clear mind" (Liturgy, # 110).
Fasting is more than a means of developing self-control. It is often an aid to prayer, as the pangs of hunger remind us of our hunger for God. The first reading on the Friday after Ash Wednesday points out another important dimension
of fasting. The prophet Isaiah insists that fasting without changing our behavior is not pleasing to God. "This, rather, is the fasting that I wish: releasing those bound unjustly, untying the thongs of the yoke; setting free the oppressed, breaking every yoke; sharing your bread with the hungry, sheltering the oppressed and the homeless; clothing the naked when you see them, and not turning your back on your own" (Is 58:6-7).
Fasting should be linked to our concern for those who are forced to fast by their poverty, those who suffer from the
injustices of our economic and political structures, those who
are in need for any reason. Thus fasting, too, is linked to living out our baptismal promises. By our Baptism, we are charged
with the responsibility of showing Christ's love to the world, especially to those in need. Fasting can help us realize the suffering that so many people in our world experience every day, and it should lead us to greater efforts to alleviate that suffering.
Abstaining from meat traditionally also linked us to the poor, who could seldom afford meat for their meals. It can do the same today if we remember the purpose of abstinence and embrace it as a spiritual link to those whose diets are sparse and simple. That should be the goal we set for ourselves—a sparse and simple meal. Avoiding meat while eating lobster misses the whole point!
Almsgiving: It should be obvious at this point that almsgiving, the third traditional pillar, is linked to our baptismal commitment in the same way. It is a sign of our care for those in need and an expression of our gratitude for all that God has given to us. Works of charity and the promotion of justice are integral elements of the Christian way of life we began when we were baptized.
of these practices is to see their link to baptismal renewal.
Prayer: More time given to prayer during Lent should draw us closer to the Lord. We might pray especially for the grace to live out our baptismal promises more fully. We might pray for the elect who will be baptized at Easter and support their conversion journey by our prayer. We might pray for all those who will celebrate the sacrament of reconciliation with us during Lent that they will be truly renewed in their baptismal commitment.
Fasting: Fasting is one of the most ancient practices linked to Lent. In fact, the paschal fast predates Lent as we know it. The early Church fasted intensely for two days before the celebration of the Easter Vigil. This fast was later extended and became a 40-day period of fasting leading up to Easter. Vatican II called us to renew the observance of the ancient paschal fast: "...let the paschal fast be kept sacred. Let it be celebrated everywhere on Good Friday and, where possible, prolonged throughout Holy Saturday, so that the joys of the Sunday of the Resurrection may be attained with uplifted and clear mind" (Liturgy, # 110).
Fasting is more than a means of developing self-control. It is often an aid to prayer, as the pangs of hunger remind us of our hunger for God. The first reading on the Friday after Ash Wednesday points out another important dimension
of fasting. The prophet Isaiah insists that fasting without changing our behavior is not pleasing to God. "This, rather, is the fasting that I wish: releasing those bound unjustly, untying the thongs of the yoke; setting free the oppressed, breaking every yoke; sharing your bread with the hungry, sheltering the oppressed and the homeless; clothing the naked when you see them, and not turning your back on your own" (Is 58:6-7).
Fasting should be linked to our concern for those who are forced to fast by their poverty, those who suffer from the
injustices of our economic and political structures, those who
are in need for any reason. Thus fasting, too, is linked to living out our baptismal promises. By our Baptism, we are charged
with the responsibility of showing Christ's love to the world, especially to those in need. Fasting can help us realize the suffering that so many people in our world experience every day, and it should lead us to greater efforts to alleviate that suffering.
Abstaining from meat traditionally also linked us to the poor, who could seldom afford meat for their meals. It can do the same today if we remember the purpose of abstinence and embrace it as a spiritual link to those whose diets are sparse and simple. That should be the goal we set for ourselves—a sparse and simple meal. Avoiding meat while eating lobster misses the whole point!
Almsgiving: It should be obvious at this point that almsgiving, the third traditional pillar, is linked to our baptismal commitment in the same way. It is a sign of our care for those in need and an expression of our gratitude for all that God has given to us. Works of charity and the promotion of justice are integral elements of the Christian way of life we began when we were baptized.
Cat Food Flambe'
Posts: 1,230
Mar 11, 2014 8:02pm
I'm a person of faith ("Liberal" side of the Lutheran Church. but I choose not to "give up" something for Lent. Instead, I try to =do= more for others with my time - an extra shift at the homeless center and the Free Meal center each week, contribute an extra sack of rice or bean to our food pantry, etc.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 11, 2014 8:04pm
For lent, the catholic church should give up raping little boys.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 11, 2014 8:29pm
Cat Food Flambe';1589100 wrote:I'm a person of faith ("Liberal" side of the Lutheran Church. but I choose not to "give up" something for Lent. Instead, I try to =do= more for others with my time - an extra shift at the homeless center and the Free Meal center each week, contribute an extra sack of rice or bean to our food pantry, etc.
Bingo ....... this is the essence of Lent. And you are giving up something, your personal time and resources, all to help your neighbors. God bless!
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 11, 2014 8:31pm
You are trying hard, but perhaps you should try starting your own thread, and stop trying to hijack this one. ThanksDeyDurkie5;1589101 wrote:For lent, the catholic church should give up raping little boys.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Mar 11, 2014 9:42pm
^^^It's like when you are trying to have an adult conversation and there is a petulant little child of one of the parties that wants attention and just keeps getting more annoying just hoping someone pays him some attention.
Mommy...Mommy...MOMMY... MOMMY....Mommy....MOMMY.... MOMMMYYYY ....MOMMMYYYYEEEEE!!!!
Mommy...Mommy...MOMMY... MOMMY....Mommy....MOMMY.... MOMMMYYYY ....MOMMMYYYYEEEEE!!!!