wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Feb 10, 2014 11:53am
100% agreelhslep134;1578616 wrote:It shouldn't be a big deal now, but it is because of how bigoted some of America still is. The more people that come out, the less and less of a deal it becomes. Hopefully Sam opened Pandora's box.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Feb 10, 2014 12:16pm
If a Christian believes that homosexuality is wrong, and is a sin, however loves the sinner (hate the sin), would you consider them bigoted?lhslep134;1578616 wrote:It shouldn't be a big deal now, but it is because of how bigoted some of America still is. The more athletes that come out, the less and less of a deal it becomes to the mainstream. Hopefully Sam opened Pandora's box.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Feb 10, 2014 12:32pm
I'm not bringing religion into this.ernest_t_bass;1578627 wrote:If a Christian believes that homosexuality is wrong, and is a sin, however loves the sinner (hate the sin), would you consider them bigoted?
If you can't accept someone because of their sexual preference (I said accept, not become best friends with), you're bigoted.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Feb 10, 2014 12:36pm
Accepting a person and accepting an "act" are not the same thing.lhslep134;1578634 wrote:I'm not bringing religion into this.
If you can't accept someone because of their sexual preference (I said accept, not become best friends with), you're bigoted.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Feb 10, 2014 12:42pm
The entire purpose of Sam coming out is so his future potential employers and co-workers accept him, not his actions. Somewhere you're mixing the two together.
Maybe this will clarify whatever point you're trying to make:
A religious person is against the act of homosexuality. Fine. He's entitled to that opinion. But if he treats the homosexuals differently as people, then he's a bigot.
Maybe this will clarify whatever point you're trying to make:
A religious person is against the act of homosexuality. Fine. He's entitled to that opinion. But if he treats the homosexuals differently as people, then he's a bigot.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Feb 10, 2014 12:43pm
I'm not mixing shit. All I did was ask a question, in response to your post.lhslep134;1578641 wrote:The entire purpose of Sam coming out is so his future potential employers and co-workers accept him, not his actions. Somewhere you're mixing the two together.
If a Christian believes that homosexuality is wrong, and is a sin, however loves the sinner (hate the sin), would you consider them bigoted?
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Feb 10, 2014 12:45pm
Okay, so what do you care what a person does in the privacy of their own bedroom with another consenting adult?ernest_t_bass;1578637 wrote:Accepting a person and accepting an "act" are not the same thing.
Is their a campaign by religious folk to take away liberties/advantages of those who masturbate?
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Feb 10, 2014 12:46pm
A Christian wouldn't spend time judging someone else's supposed sin. So if they aren't a bigot, they are a hypocrite.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Feb 10, 2014 12:48pm
No, I'm kinda just playing devils advocate, b/c when homosexuality is discussed (in the mainstream media), often times Christianity is attacked.Fly4Fun;1578643 wrote:Okay, so what do you care what a person does in the privacy of their own bedroom with another consenting adult?
Is their a campaign by religious folk to take away liberties/advantages of those who masturbate?
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Feb 10, 2014 12:50pm
As a believer, I just find it hilarious that "YOU MUST ACCEPT ME FOR WHO I AM!!!1!" does not go both ways. If I believe, based on the bible, that homosexuality is a sin, then why am I not entitled to my beliefs? I'm not going around all Westboro style, and I'm not preaching.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Feb 10, 2014 12:52pm
I see what you're saying.ernest_t_bass;1578645 wrote:No, I'm kinda just playing devils advocate, b/c when homosexuality is discussed (in the mainstream media), often times Christianity is attacked.
Christianity is attacked because a lot of the most outspoken people are the bigots who identify as Christians and base their argument off the bible.
In reality, those are just people who happen to be extremely bigoted and their Christianity isn't the basis for their beliefs, but is the justification given.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 10, 2014 12:53pm
Because it's fucked up that, because of religious beliefs, you believe it's a bad thing that one is attracted to the same sex. It's just kinda fucking stupid.ernest_t_bass;1578647 wrote:As a believer, I just find it hilarious that "YOU MUST ACCEPT ME FOR WHO I AM!!!1!" does not go both ways. If I believe, based on the bible, that homosexuality is a sin, then why am I not entitled to my beliefs? I'm not going around all Westboro style, and I'm not preaching.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 10, 2014 12:55pm
I hope he goes undrafted. Would be hilarious.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Feb 10, 2014 1:08pm
This is what I don't understand. By NOT coming out, was someone not accepting him? I could give two shits whether someone is gay, I just don't know why it has to be announced.lhslep134;1578641 wrote:The entire purpose of Sam coming out is so his future potential employers and co-workers accept him, not his actions. Somewhere you're mixing the two together.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Feb 10, 2014 1:10pm
I don't. So no announcement necessary.Fly4Fun;1578643 wrote:Okay, so what do you care what a person does in the privacy of their own bedroom with another consenting adult?
What liberties/advantages did Sam not have, that he has now for announcing he is gay?Is their a campaign by religious folk to take away liberties/advantages of those who masturbate?
rrfan
Posts: 1,922
Feb 10, 2014 1:32pm
In today's society we have to accept all people and give all kids blue ribbons even if they play on a team that sucks. We should stop keeping score so no little kids are losers. Society is soft today.ernest_t_bass;1578647 wrote:As a believer, I just find it hilarious that "YOU MUST ACCEPT ME FOR WHO I AM!!!1!" does not go both ways. If I believe, based on the bible, that homosexuality is a sin, then why am I not entitled to my beliefs? I'm not going around all Westboro style, and I'm not preaching.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Feb 10, 2014 1:33pm
Maybe alot of people think it is pretty fucked up and disgusting to be attracted to the same sex.SportsAndLady;1578653 wrote:Because it's fucked up that, because of religious beliefs, you believe it's a bad thing that one is attracted to the same sex. It's just kinda fucking stupid.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 10, 2014 1:40pm
But to not accept it? To not accept them? To think they're some horrible animals that were born "wrong"?thavoice;1578667 wrote:Maybe alot of people think it is pretty fucked up and disgusting to be attracted to the same sex.
You're living in the 1800's
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Feb 10, 2014 1:44pm
Not sure you can put those opinions and "think" in the same sentence.thavoice;1578667 wrote:Maybe alot of people think it is pretty fucked up and disgusting to be attracted to the same sex.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Feb 10, 2014 1:51pm
Most of whom have been told to think that way by a guy who may or may not have molested a young boy.thavoice;1578667 wrote:Maybe alot of people think it is pretty fucked up and disgusting to be attracted to the same sex.
So who is really disgusting?
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Feb 10, 2014 1:53pm
HEY! ...you leave Father O'Casey out of this!wildcats20;1578680 wrote:Most of whom have been told to think that way by a guy who may or may not have molested a young boy.
So who is really disgusting?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 10, 2014 2:06pm
Agreed. That's the point I'm trying to make.lhslep134;1578616 wrote:It shouldn't be a big deal now, but it is because of how bigoted some of America still is. The more athletes that come out, the less and less of a deal it becomes to the mainstream. Hopefully Sam opened Pandora's box.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 10, 2014 2:12pm
You're trying to compare being gay to blue ribbons in little league? lolfail.rrfan;1578666 wrote:In today's society we have to accept all people and give all kids blue ribbons even if they play on a team that sucks. We should stop keeping score so no little kids are losers. Society is soft today.
IPOTW, congrats.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Feb 10, 2014 2:27pm
Why do I have to accept gay sex, instead of just accepting the person who is gay?SportsAndLady;1578671 wrote:But to not accept it? To not accept them?
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Feb 10, 2014 2:30pm
No, I believe he's trying to compare, "YOU MUST ACCEPT ME AND ALL THE THINGS THAT I DO!!!1!" to blue ribbons.Commander of Awesome;1578690 wrote:You're trying to compare being gay to blue ribbons in little league? lolfail.
IPOTW, congrats.