Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Dec 31, 2013 1:28pm
Allowing a league worst conversion percentage on 3rd downs, allowing red zone TD's two thirds of the time, and creating the 8th fewest turnovers in the NFL are all a result of the coach, in my opinion. We have a Pro Bowl corner in Haden and a much improved corner in Skrine, a Pro Bowl alternate safety who graded out as the #2 SS in the NFL, a very solid inside linebacker in D'Qwell Jackson, some solid guys on the defensive front in Rubin and Taylor, and improved edge pass rushers with the draft of Mingo and signing of Kruger. Our biggest weaknesses in my opinion are Robertson at ILB and Gipson at FS.se-alum;1559714 wrote:Our 23rd ranked scoring defense has a lot of talent? Is Ray Horton that bad of a DC?
Looking at that roster, there's no reason we should have been the worst in the league on 3rd downs and given up as many red zone TD's as we did. Horton can be predictable at times, and teams obviously are starting to figure him out.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1898340-ray-hortons-cleveland-browns-defense-not-as-dominant-as-numbers-suggest
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 31, 2013 1:44pm
Agreed, especially the bolded part. Many of those 3rd down conversions were on 3rd and long situations. That's on coaching. Also there were reports on OBR, that players were bitching about Horton's play calling.Dr. KnOiTaLL;1559741 wrote:Allowing a league worst conversion percentage on 3rd downs, allowing red zone TD's two thirds of the time, and creating the 8th fewest turnovers in the NFL are all a result of the coach, in my opinion. We have a Pro Bowl corner in Haden and a much improved corner in Skrine, a Pro Bowl alternate safety who graded out as the #2 SS in the NFL, a very solid inside linebacker in D'Qwell Jackson, some solid guys on the defensive front in Rubin and Taylor, and improved edge pass rushers with the draft of Mingo and signing of Kruger. Our biggest weaknesses in my opinion are Robertson at ILB and Gipson at FS.
Looking at that roster, there's no reason we should have been the worst in the league on 3rd downs and given up as many red zone TD's as we did. Horton can be predictable at times, and teams obviously are starting to figure him out.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1898340-ray-hortons-cleveland-browns-defense-not-as-dominant-as-numbers-suggest
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 31, 2013 1:48pm
I guess we'll see what the new DC can do with this group.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Dec 31, 2013 5:57pm
Six HC openings...my bet is Clowns end up with either 5th or 6th consensus ranked new hire. Anybody wanna challenge me? The Skins job will be tough to fill becuz the owner is nuts but he has more money than the Gas Station attendant.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Dec 31, 2013 6:26pm
How would you even prove that?Tiernan;1559902 wrote:Six HC openings...my bet is Clowns end up with either 5th or 6th consensus ranked new hire. Anybody wanna challenge me? The Skins job will be tough to fill becuz the owner is nuts but he has more money than the Gas Station attendant.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Dec 31, 2013 6:43pm
Tiernan why the fuck do you post? Go suck on some bricks or your boyfriend. Though we wouldn't be uspet if you choked on it.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Dec 31, 2013 9:26pm
shook_17;1559916 wrote:Tiernan why the fuck do you post? Go suck on some bricks or your boyfriend. Though we wouldn't be uspet if you choked on it.
And BOOM goes the dynamite!
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Dec 31, 2013 10:06pm
Hearing Gus Malzahn is Browns top Choice.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Dec 31, 2013 10:08pm
HighRoller74;1559988 wrote:Hearing Gus Malzahn is Browns top Choice.
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanforaGus Malzahn (Auburn) very much a top candidate for CLE. Vandy's James Franklin in the mix. One of them or McDaniels expected to get that job​
GoPens
Posts: 2,339
Dec 31, 2013 11:18pm
Scratch O'Brien, Espn says he's going to Texans
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Jan 1, 2014 12:05am
Who? Who? And who?ts1227;1559991 wrote:
Gus Malzahn (Auburn) very much a top candidate for CLE. Vandy's James Franklin in the mix. One of them or McDaniels expected to get that job​
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Jan 1, 2014 1:52am
Didn't Malzahn just sign a major extension?ts1227;1559991 wrote:
Gus Malzahn (Auburn) very much a top candidate for CLE. Vandy's James Franklin in the mix. One of them or McDaniels expected to get that job​
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Jan 1, 2014 2:01am
Since when has an extension stopped a coach from doing anything?Classyposter58;1560028 wrote:Didn't Malzahn just sign a major extension?
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Jan 1, 2014 9:26am
I really like malzahn. If he is hired look for Johnny to be a brown.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jan 1, 2014 10:37am
God help us allCrimson streak;1560048 wrote:If he is hired look for Johnny to be a brown.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Jan 1, 2014 12:50pm
I actually think Johnny football would be a great fit with malzahn and his style. If we hire malzahn I would be ok with it. Either him or bortlesvball10set;1560068 wrote:God help us all
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 1, 2014 12:54pm
I would much rather have Hundley than Manziel if Malzahn is the guy.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Jan 1, 2014 2:16pm
Grantland writer Bill Barnwell rates Cleveland as the worst job this offseason
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/87401/the-most-attractive-available-head-coaching-gigs-in-the-nfl-right-now
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/87401/the-most-attractive-available-head-coaching-gigs-in-the-nfl-right-now
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Jan 1, 2014 2:18pm
It's meant to stop the Browns or whoever. Cleveland would have to probably pay an insane buyoutts1227;1560030 wrote:Since when has an extension stopped a coach from doing anything?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 1, 2014 2:21pm
Classyposter58;1560192 wrote:Grantland writer Bill Barnwell rates Cleveland as the worst job this offseason
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/87401/the-most-attractive-available-head-coaching-gigs-in-the-nfl-right-now
Lazy journalism. Same ol, well he got fired in one year, so now EVERYONE IS AFRAID bs. Based on personnel the Browns gig is a great job, especially with 2 first round picks. Sign your pro bowlers, draft a QB, and the coach is looking at a pretty good roster going into his first year.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Jan 1, 2014 2:31pm
Idk maybe it's because I'm an outsider but I agree with him, the franchise is awful, the division has 3 very solid teams right now, and who do the Browns have? Houston and Detroit are far more talented, god Foster/Tate and Johnson/Watkins is absolutely lethal combined with Watt and a solid defensive front that team is QB away from 11 wins. The Lions have Stafford, Bush, maybe the best WR ever in his prime to go with a great front 7. I'd say behind Washington, it's 4thlike_that;1560197 wrote:Lazy journalism. Same ol, well he got fired in one year, so now EVERYONE IS AFRAID bs. Based on personnel the Browns gig is a great job, especially with 2 first round picks. Sign your pro bowlers, draft a QB, and the coach is looking at a pretty good roster going into his first year.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 1, 2014 2:40pm
Pittsburgh and Baltimore are not in great shape.Classyposter58;1560200 wrote:Idk maybe it's because I'm an outsider but I agree with him, the franchise is awful, the division has 3 very solid teams right now, and who do the Browns have? Houston and Detroit are far more talented, god Foster/Tate and Johnson/Watkins is absolutely lethal combined with Watt and a solid defensive front that team is QB away from 11 wins. The Lions have Stafford, Bush, maybe the best WR ever in his prime to go with a great front 7. I'd say behind Washington, it's 4th
You can also loll at it like this....if I'm a young coach awaiting the chance, I want somewhere like Cleveland because not many pieces are needed and IF you can get this franchise over the hump, you'll forever be a God.
Little risk with very high reward potential for a coach with the Cleveland job IMO
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 1, 2014 2:43pm
You literally have no idea what you are talking about, you just wanted to talk about the LionsClassyposter58;1560200 wrote:Idk maybe it's because I'm an outsider but I agree with him, the franchise is awful, the division has 3 very solid teams right now, and who do the Browns have? Houston and Detroit are far more talented, god Foster/Tate and Johnson/Watkins is absolutely lethal combined with Watt and a solid defensive front that team is QB away from 11 wins. The Lions have Stafford, Bush, maybe the best WR ever in his prime to go with a great front 7. I'd say behind Washington, it's 4th
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Jan 1, 2014 2:44pm
The Browns have Gordon/Cameron and a solid front 7 on D. Plus 2 first round picks and a ton of cap space.
Foster might never be the same and Tate could be gone.
Foster might never be the same and Tate could be gone.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 1, 2014 2:51pm
Will Brinson also ranks the Browns last. I think Detroit and Houston are clearly 1-2, but beyond that none of the other options stand out as great situations to me. 3 have horrible QB situations, and the Redskins have no D and no picks.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24392642/ranking-nfl-head-coach-openings-lions-top-the-list
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24392642/ranking-nfl-head-coach-openings-lions-top-the-list