queencitybuckeye;1555946 wrote:Not mentioned in either version of the bible I perused.

bases_loaded;1555952 wrote:Its not possible that bestiality is listed as sin in a another part of the Bible and he lumped it in with the sins in Corinthians when asked for examples of fucking sins?

jmog;1555954 wrote:Correct, especially since that passage more deals with different sexual sins than the 'rest' like murder, etc.

queencitybuckeye;1555961 wrote:Possible, I'm just saying it isn't a "top of mind" sin if one were to contemporaneously call out a short list of sins.

Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers--none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.

And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Heretic;1555975 wrote:And this is why we have the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

Tiernan;1555916 wrote:Openly Gay couple on A&Es "Storage Wars" claim anus's are tighter than vaginas. Kinduva reality show "STFU Phil".

jmog;1555917 wrote:He didn't mine the Bible, and you have no idea what you are talking about with respect to shellfish or pork. Those are Jewish only rules, not Christian.

He gave a list (not all encompassing mind you) of things he considered sin.

You completely missed the part of the article where he said he loved everyone, where he would never treat anyone any different because of how they chose to live, and he left 'that' up to God.

OSH;1555983 wrote:I also try not to pick out a single verse (especially in these Pauline letters) and base a thought on them.

jmog;1555913 wrote:When asked to list what someone believes to be wrong or sin, nothing in the given list is seen as "equal" in the normal English language.

For instance, if someone asked me what types of things morally wrong I might give a list like this:

Lying, cheating on taxes, murder, adultery, etc.

Me giving a list does NOT equate lying with murder, but in your liberal logic it does.

He was asked a question, what does he consider sinful, and he gave a list. That is all he did. He did NOT say homosexuality was equal to beastiality.

Anyone who can understand the basics of the English language can see this.

It is the media that is saying he compared beastiality to homosexuality, anyone who can read and reads the original article/quote knows what he really said.

However, I would never expect isadore to actually read and use logic.

queencitybuckeye;1555993 wrote:Fair enough, I'll just mentioned that it was two people from your "side" who did and not me. It was more of a curiosity thing at this point (i.e. "where the hell did he pull that one from?"). Moving on...

Edit: and I apologize for being the one to prompt isadore to crawl out from under his rock this time.

Heretic;1555841 wrote:Or at least, it's pretty damn comedic. Reminds me of our political board: A lot of 10-cent minds thinking they know the answers to complicated issues when all they're really doing is spouting buzzwords with no real knowledge of what they mean.

se-alum;1556012 wrote:This has been a surprisingly good debate for the most part.

dlazz;1556020 wrote:Until isadore showed up

Manhattan Buckeye;1556043 wrote:One of these days, I'll be tired of being correct all of the time. The backlash is on (even if it is staged!).

jmog;1555935 wrote:If I hear one more person bring up "Well why don't Christians adhere to the Levitical Laws then" crap I'm going to scream .

That's about as smart as people who say "Well, people in the Bible had multiple wives, so the Bible is ok with having multiple wives". No, there are MANY historical parts of the Bible that are ONLY recording what happened at that time (maybe for a good moral reason like 'see, don't do this'). They are not there to say "this is what God is ok with and what he is not ok with" they are just recording what happened.


Leviticus is one of these books.

If you really want to know what the Bible says Christians should be doing and not be doing, I suggest you get a 'red letter' edition and read the things in red between Matthew and Acts. That's about it.

isadore;1556050 wrote:

But obviously his hatred of homosexuals caused him to add bestiality.

　

pmoney25;1556063 wrote:Which books make up the Holy Bible? Which are the word of God and which are the word of man? Is the whole Old Testament worthless or just parts of it?

I know Leviticus and what it implies. I also know the Bible that is used today has been changed from the original texts so there are multiple things (concept of Hell) that have either been added or changed.

I also am pretty sure Jesus doesn't say anything about homosexuals. So you have Leviticus and people writing the bible using their laws at the time condemning homosexuals, not the word of God.

Bio-Hazzzzard;1556064 wrote:So you can stereotype him as a hater simply because homosexuality and the desire to screw an animal are perspectively equal in with what he chooses to believe in? Phil has the same right to stand up for himself and for what he believes in equally to that of a homosexual.

You seem to be more of a hater than him simply because you cannot accept his beliefs, sounds fair, doesn't it?

Bio-Hazzzzard;1556064 wrote:So you can stereotype him as a hater simply because homosexuality and the desire to screw an animal are perspectively equal in with what he chooses to believe in? Phil has the same right to stand up for himself and for what he believes in equally to that of a homosexual.

You seem to be more of a hater than him simply because you cannot accept his beliefs, sounds fair, doesn't it?

jmog;1556078 wrote:Jesus did refer to sexuality. He first talks about marriage only being between a man and a woman as God designed it in Mathew b

he also talks about the "sins" of the Sodomites being their downfall in 3 of the 4 gospels. If one reads the story of Sodom and Gomorrah it is quite obvious what the sins of the Sodomites are.


So you are incorrect. He does reference the sin of homosexuality, he just never said that exact word.

jmog;1556078 wrote:Jesus did refer to sexuality. He first talks about marriage only being between a man and a woman as God designed it in Mathew b

he also talks about the "sins" of the Sodomites being their downfall in 3 of the 4 gospels. If one reads the story of Sodom and Gomorrah it is quite obvious what the sins of the Sodomites are.


So you are incorrect. He does reference the sin of homosexuality, he just never said that exact word.

23 And thou, Capernaum, shalt thou be exalted unto heaven? thou shalt go down unto Hades: for if the mighty works had been done in Sodom which were done in thee, it would have remained until this day. 24 But I say unto you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

3And there came unto him Pharisees, trying him, and saying, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? 4And he answered and said, Have ye not read, that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, 5and said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh? 6So that they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. 7They say unto him, Why then did Moses command to give a bill of divorcement, and to put her away? 8He saith unto them, Moses for your hardness of heart suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it hath not been so. 9And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery.